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Jack wrote: "So I recommend continuing with the current ATI video card,
...." Unless I misunderstand, Rick, Susan alrady owns and has installed the Radeon 7000, aka, VE card. And, "ps: why don't you install the Intel drivers *then* choose "Do not use in this Hardware profile" ?" did you read this in my 5/20 post? "FWIW, my seven year old grand daughter now uses an ancient Celeron box for her simple Win98 "Barbie" and "Bratz" games. It uses an early Intel Extreme Graphics video system on the mainboard. I upgraded this to a modern 128 MB nVidia FX 5200 video system, Chaintech, I think, with little problem. The only twist is that the BIOS permits me to direct the initial boot detection to the add-in PCI video card, but offers no way to disable the on-board Intel Extreme Graphics. So at boot, the Hardware wizard wants to reinstall the Intel video driver, which she just cancels. This occurs even though I have disabled the Intel video device in the current Hardware Profile." Susan's machine may work differently, but it may also exhibit the same behavior as my granddaughter's box. -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm In Memorium: Alex Nichol http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Rick T" wrote in message ... I'd concur with the RAM upgrade, but why the videocard unless Susan is planning on playing modernish 3D-intensive games. Rick ps: why don't you install the Intel drivers *then* choose "Do not use in this Hardware profile" ? Jack E Martinelli wrote: Your Celeron II 700 MHz is pretty ancient stuff now. This box will never be a modern gaming machine. It's a fine e-mailing, surfing, word processing machine. So I recommend continuing with the current ATI video card, which my quick and dirty Google search suggests is the Radeon® 7000 / Radeon® VE http://www.ati.com/products/radeon7000/radeon7000/ You will have to examine physically the card to confirm. A label or silkscreen should have the info. While this card is so ancient, it is the third slowest video card, at 12.4 fps, in Tom's Hardware Guide first review of video cards, April 18, 2002, where it is named the Radeon VE, http://graphics.tomshardware.com/gra...charts-01.html I don't doubt it runs rings around the on-board Intel video system, using either 32 or 64 MB of on-board DDR memory vs. the Intel shared system memory. FWIW, every card on this THG, VGA Charts I, graph is far slower than the slowest, modern FX5200 nVidia or Radeon 9250 card, available for ca. $50 today. But I doubt your cpu and memory can even begin to drive those video card to their limits. I also recommend installing another 128 MB, or 256, if funds permit, of what is most likely PC100 or PC133 sdram. Perhaps, $US 25 - 45, after common rebates from major memory vendors through big box retailers. Lower price over the Internet. After doing so, your WinME will seldom need to use the swapfile, under normal situations. And thanks for your prompt response. Happy computing now! |
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I must be missing something here, Jack...
Your granddaughter's machine has no "disable on-board..." in the BIOS; that much I got, but it persists in trying to install the on-board drivers... why don't you let it ? The primary graphics adapter will still be the PCI card and (after you disable on-board graphics in Windows or perhaps you don't have to; I'm not sure on how dual graphics works with dissimilar devices) it won't bother you. As per Susan, she already has a half-decent graphics card; I don't see any reason to ... ummm... what I seem to have missed is the "So I reccomend you continue ..." whistles innocently Rick Jack E Martinelli wrote: Jack wrote: "So I recommend continuing with the current ATI video card, ..." Unless I misunderstand, Rick, Susan alrady owns and has installed the Radeon 7000, aka, VE card. And, "ps: why don't you install the Intel drivers *then* choose "Do not use in this Hardware profile" ?" did you read this in my 5/20 post? "FWIW, my seven year old grand daughter now uses an ancient Celeron box for her simple Win98 "Barbie" and "Bratz" games. It uses an early Intel Extreme Graphics video system on the mainboard. I upgraded this to a modern 128 MB nVidia FX 5200 video system, Chaintech, I think, with little problem. The only twist is that the BIOS permits me to direct the initial boot detection to the add-in PCI video card, but offers no way to disable the on-board Intel Extreme Graphics. So at boot, the Hardware wizard wants to reinstall the Intel video driver, which she just cancels. This occurs even though I have disabled the Intel video device in the current Hardware Profile." Susan's machine may work differently, but it may also exhibit the same behavior as my granddaughter's box. |
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Perhaps I have not been as clear as I think.
IMO, Susan's ATI Radeon 7000 card, like the FX5200 card for my grand daughter's machine, will be far superior in displaying graphic images relative to the on-board Intel Extreme Graphics video system. IIUC, Susan has already, at least once, installed the Radeon card and proved that it works with the latest ATI drivers. So I recommend to continue to use the Radeon PCI card rather than the on-board Intel video. Is that clearer? Sorry for the confusion. -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm In Memorium: Alex Nichol http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Rick T" wrote in message ... I must be missing something here, Jack... Your granddaughter's machine has no "disable on-board..." in the BIOS; that much I got, but it persists in trying to install the on-board drivers... why don't you let it ? The primary graphics adapter will still be the PCI card and (after you disable on-board graphics in Windows or perhaps you don't have to; I'm not sure on how dual graphics works with dissimilar devices) it won't bother you. As per Susan, she already has a half-decent graphics card; I don't see any reason to ... ummm... what I seem to have missed is the "So I reccomend you continue ..." whistles innocently Rick Jack E Martinelli wrote: Jack wrote: "So I recommend continuing with the current ATI video card, ..." Unless I misunderstand, Rick, Susan alrady owns and has installed the Radeon 7000, aka, VE card. And, "ps: why don't you install the Intel drivers *then* choose "Do not use in this Hardware profile" ?" did you read this in my 5/20 post? "FWIW, my seven year old grand daughter now uses an ancient Celeron box for her simple Win98 "Barbie" and "Bratz" games. It uses an early Intel Extreme Graphics video system on the mainboard. I upgraded this to a modern 128 MB nVidia FX 5200 video system, Chaintech, I think, with little problem. The only twist is that the BIOS permits me to direct the initial boot detection to the add-in PCI video card, but offers no way to disable the on-board Intel Extreme Graphics. So at boot, the Hardware wizard wants to reinstall the Intel video driver, which she just cancels. This occurs even though I have disabled the Intel video device in the current Hardware Profile." Susan's machine may work differently, but it may also exhibit the same behavior as my granddaughter's box. |
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Jack E Martinelli wrote:
Perhaps I have not been as clear as I think. IMO, Susan's ATI Radeon 7000 card, like the FX5200 card for my grand daughter's machine, will be far superior in displaying graphic images relative to the on-board Intel Extreme Graphics video system. IIUC, Susan has already, at least once, installed the Radeon card and proved that it works with the latest ATI drivers. So I recommend to continue to use the Radeon PCI card rather than the on-board Intel video. Is that clearer? Sorry for the confusion. Well sure, anybody that actually *read* what you wrote would've figured that one out g...sry for misunderstanding. At this point I'm just wondering why your GD is having to cxl out of a drivers install on every boot. Rick |
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NP, Rick.
I suspect the problematic machine is just a cheap Intel box, with a primitive BIOS. A minimal intended office-use machine. It was never expected that a PCI video card would be installed! With no way to disable the Intel on-board video in the BIOS, it is detected later by PNP. I don't want to install the Intel video drivers to prevent any misunderstanding by Windows down the road. If it gets confused about which video system to use, my gd will never recover and will have to power down the session. That means another support visit by "you know who" ! Why the "Disable in this Hardware Profile" option does not work is a mystery to me. However, she has learned to click "Cancel" at the Hardware wizard's request for the video drivers, just as she does later when the new FX5200 card wants to install the TV setup. So's it's untidy, but workable. In any event, the box is working fine for her minimal uses just now --- I don't have to get involved in arranging Barbies' hair and makeup, at all. -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm In Memorium: Alex Nichol http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Rick T" wrote in message ... Jack E Martinelli wrote: Perhaps I have not been as clear as I think. IMO, Susan's ATI Radeon 7000 card, like the FX5200 card for my grand daughter's machine, will be far superior in displaying graphic images relative to the on-board Intel Extreme Graphics video system. IIUC, Susan has already, at least once, installed the Radeon card and proved that it works with the latest ATI drivers. So I recommend to continue to use the Radeon PCI card rather than the on-board Intel video. Is that clearer? Sorry for the confusion. Well sure, anybody that actually *read* what you wrote would've figured that one out g...sry for misunderstanding. At this point I'm just wondering why your GD is having to cxl out of a drivers install on every boot. Rick |
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