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  #11  
Old October 2nd 04, 05:47 PM
Dick Hazeleger
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brainz wrote:

"Darren Harris" wrote

It's a royal pain to have to adjust my toolbar every other day, but
it worse when some new crap inserts itself there.


Sounds like a job for hijackThis.exe
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=3155
kind regards
brainz


Darren,

AdAware and Spybot don't run on your Windows ME? Hmmm, I would suggest
to get a copy of CWShredder, and check whether you have one of those...
there are a few out there that target Anti-spyware tools like those.

If you can download HiJackThis (as suggested earlier) then it is a good
idea to run a scan with it, save the log file, and post it to one of
the many anti-spyware forums.

Oh, before you remove any spyware... disable your system restore
points... your faithful OS otherwise may thing that you miss something
really necessary... and put it back again!

When your system is cleaned, I would advise you to install
SpywareBlaster and SpyWareGuard (http://www.javacoolsoftware.com).

HtH
Dick
  #12  
Old October 2nd 04, 05:50 PM
Shane
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Oh, before you remove any spyware... disable your system restore
points... your faithful OS otherwise may thing that you miss something
really necessary... and put it back again!


It doesn't work that way.


Shane


  #13  
Old October 3rd 04, 06:22 PM
Dick Hazeleger
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Shane wrote:

Oh, before you remove any spyware... disable your system restore
points... your faithful OS otherwise may thing that you miss
something really necessary... and put it back again!


It doesn't work that way.


Shane


No? Have a thorough look at the "Anti-Spyware" support forums, when
they find out that you're running ME or XP, the first thing they will
tell you is that you should turn off System Restore... for the simple
reason I wrote above.... BTW: It's the same with virus infections: turn
off the setting, clean the system, turn the setting on again!

Regards
Dick
  #14  
Old October 3rd 04, 07:15 PM
Mike M
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Dick Hazeleger wrote:

No? Have a thorough look at the "Anti-Spyware" support forums, when
they find out that you're running ME or XP, the first thing they will
tell you is that you should turn off System Restore... for the simple
reason I wrote above.... BTW: It's the same with virus infections:
turn off the setting, clean the system, turn the setting on again!


And everyone who gives such advice is wrong and clearly doesn't understand
what and how system restore works. Disable SR and clear the archive once
the problem is resolved but not before as this removes the lifeline of
being able to restore a trashed system to a good state using a system
checkpoint created before infection.

An infected archive will never cause a problem unless a user voluntarily
chooses to restore to a checkpoint created after infection and before the
system was cleaned. Even that might be acceptable if the user manages to
create an unusable system whilst trying to clean their system.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP


  #15  
Old October 3rd 04, 10:16 PM
JAD
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either way works.......fix - disable - re-enable - disable -
fix - re-enable

personally-I would not want to restore to an infected restore point



"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Dick Hazeleger wrote:

No? Have a thorough look at the "Anti-Spyware" support forums,

when
they find out that you're running ME or XP, the first thing they

will
tell you is that you should turn off System Restore... for the

simple
reason I wrote above.... BTW: It's the same with virus infections:
turn off the setting, clean the system, turn the setting on again!


And everyone who gives such advice is wrong and clearly doesn't

understand
what and how system restore works. Disable SR and clear the archive

once
the problem is resolved but not before as this removes the lifeline

of
being able to restore a trashed system to a good state using a

system
checkpoint created before infection.

An infected archive will never cause a problem unless a user

voluntarily
chooses to restore to a checkpoint created after infection and

before the
system was cleaned. Even that might be acceptable if the user

manages to
create an unusable system whilst trying to clean their system.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP




  #16  
Old October 3rd 04, 10:39 PM
Mike M
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But if not yourself a user may well want to restore to an uninfected
checkpoint created prior to any infection. By flushing the restore
archive as a first action one removes such action from ones armoury of
tools.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



JAD wrote:

either way works.......fix - disable - re-enable - disable -
fix - re-enable

personally-I would not want to restore to an infected restore point


  #17  
Old October 3rd 04, 10:45 PM
JAD
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"personally-I would" this would mean its my opinion...I wouldn't
you can



"Mike M" wrote in message
...
But if not yourself a user may well want to restore to an uninfected
checkpoint created prior to any infection. By flushing the restore
archive as a first action one removes such action from ones armoury

of
tools.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



JAD wrote:

either way works.......fix - disable - re-enable -

disable -
fix - re-enable

not want to restore to an infected restore point




  #18  
Old October 3rd 04, 11:21 PM
Heather
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JAD.......

You are not understanding what Mike is saying to you......and any others
that follow your line of thinking. I will admit it took me a while to *get
it*, but perhaps I can put it in simpler English for you. Make that
*Canadian English* (G).

If you disable and clear out the System Restore BEFORE getting rid of the
offending object, you have also thrown away any chance of restoring your
computer, should you happen to screw something up!!! You will have NO
restore points to go back to.

In other words, you CAN restore to a point BEFORE you got infected and you
will NOT be restoring the virus/trojan/whatever to your computer.

Is this any clearer??

And Mike......I hope I got that across right.....or for that matter, I hope
I got it right, grin!!

It is a hard concept for people to get their minds around.......all they are
thinking is *get rid of this blasted malware*!!

Cheers and off for supper......Heather

"JAD" wrote in message
...
"personally-I would" this would mean its my opinion...I wouldn't
you can



"Mike M" wrote in message
...
But if not yourself a user may well want to restore to an uninfected
checkpoint created prior to any infection. By flushing the restore
archive as a first action one removes such action from ones armoury

of
tools.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



JAD wrote:

either way works.......fix - disable - re-enable -

disable -
fix - re-enable

not want to restore to an infected restore point






  #19  
Old October 3rd 04, 11:49 PM
JAD
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thanks but it was not necessary


restoring to an infected state, for me, serves no purpose. I have
never had the displeasure of having a system screwed up because of
virus removal since I was on the 12 step 'Rid myself of norton"
therapy years ago. AFA spyware and such, it rarely infects my machines
and has never been a big problem. when it does, hijackthis is the
ultimate in removal. (and should be used by some one who understands
the difference between 'BACK up' and system restore. ;^)


"Heather" wrote in message
...
JAD.......

You are not understanding what Mike is saying to you......and any

others
that follow your line of thinking. I will admit it took me a while

to *get
it*, but perhaps I can put it in simpler English for you. Make that
*Canadian English* (G).

If you disable and clear out the System Restore BEFORE getting rid

of the
offending object, you have also thrown away any chance of restoring

your
computer, should you happen to screw something up!!! You will have

NO
restore points to go back to.

In other words, you CAN restore to a point BEFORE you got infected

and you
will NOT be restoring the virus/trojan/whatever to your computer.

Is this any clearer??

And Mike......I hope I got that across right.....or for that matter,

I hope
I got it right, grin!!

It is a hard concept for people to get their minds around.......all

they are
thinking is *get rid of this blasted malware*!!

Cheers and off for supper......Heather

"JAD" wrote in message
...
"personally-I would" this would mean its my opinion...I

wouldn't
you can



"Mike M" wrote in message
...
But if not yourself a user may well want to restore to an

uninfected
checkpoint created prior to any infection. By flushing the

restore
archive as a first action one removes such action from ones

armoury
of
tools.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



JAD wrote:

either way works.......fix - disable - re-enable -

disable -
fix - re-enable

not want to restore to an infected restore point







  #20  
Old October 3rd 04, 11:53 PM
Mike M
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You clearly still don't understand otherwise you wouldn't have posted as
you have. Using system restore it is possible to restore to a clean
uninfected state by restoring to a checkpoint created before infection.
By flushing the restore folder prior to any attempt to cleanse a system
such an option is lost.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP [2001-2005]



JAD wrote:

thanks but it was not necessary


restoring to an infected state, for me, serves no purpose. I have
never had the displeasure of having a system screwed up because of
virus removal since I was on the 12 step 'Rid myself of norton"
therapy years ago. AFA spyware and such, it rarely infects my machines
and has never been a big problem. when it does, hijackthis is the
ultimate in removal. (and should be used by some one who understands
the difference between 'BACK up' and system restore. ;^)


 




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