Wiindows Updates -- Part 1, Win98 Gold

Several people have asked recently about various Windows Updates. Like how
many have been issued since the Windows Updates Security CD was released,
how many of Win98 Gold's patches were subsumed into Win98SE, etc.

There are two major difficulties in this experiment. First, you can't get to
Windows Updates using Win98 Gold right out of the box. It requires a minimum
of IE 5.01; secondly, Internet Explorer is further an issue because which
updates you are offered depends in great part on what version of IE you have
installed. But it's very difficult to say, "Ignore the IE Updates and only
focus on the non-IE updates," since IE is an integral part of Windows 9x,
especially since the advent of IE 5. A similar issue applies to Windows
Media Player. In a similar vein, many updates that were previously offered
to Win98 users have been made obsolete by newer versions. For instance,
there is no IE 5 version of any kind offered at Windows Updates these days,
only IE6SP1. Thus, the only IE Updates I see before installing IE 6.1 are
those offered to IE 5.01.

In short, there are no simple answers to the questions posed -- no single
answer to the question, "How many updates (and which) were offered to Win98
Gold that were subsumed into Win98SE," because SE included IE 5.01 and WMP
6.4 (I think), thus obviating all IE4 and earlier WMP updates. So, I will do
my best to chronicle and document the steps I'm taking and let others decide
what's important to them. Note: I did *not* return to the bad old days and
peruse the Corporate Updates site for pre-IE5 Updates. Someone else can do
that. I do recall at one time being an expert jockey of said site, but my
mind is fragile these days...

First thing I did was to install Windows 98 Gold (MSDN version which is
essentially the same as retail.) I installed all optional components. I then
installed Service Pack 1, which includes the following:
--Both Y2K Updates
--Active Accessibility update
--Q189591 Computer Does Not Resume To Recognize USB Device From Standby
--Q222600 Bulk Transfer URLs Can Specify More Than 64 Bytes
--Q220586 Computer with Plug and Play Network Adapter Is Not Found (only
affects Win98 systems that were upgraded from Win95)
--Q178979 System Policy to Require Validation by Network May Not Work
--Q216641 Computer Hangs After 49.7 Days
--Q216565 New Dialing Rules for Spain and Italy Require TAPI Update

I did *not* install any Service Packs for IE 4.1 or patches depending on IE4
or it's SPs. Q234680, for instance, is a patch to OE 4SP2.

I then installed IE 5.01, all optional components selected except specific
languages in the Multi-language section. Now I'm able to access Windows
Updates. Upon doing so, there are seven Optional and 20 Critical Updates
offered. One, of course, is IE6SP1. In earlier times, that one would have
been some earlier version of IE. (Note: The Criticals list is mostly in
reverse chronological order because that's the way Windows Updates lists
them.)

-----Optional Components-----
--DirectX 9.0c End-User Runtime
--Registration Wizard Update
--Microsoft .NET Framework version 1.1
--Windows Critical Update Notification 4.0
--Internet Explorer Navigation Sound Update
--Euro Conversion Tool
--Agent 2.0

--------Critical Updates--------
--IE6.1 Note: Because this is offered, no other updates for IE 5.01 are
offered.
--Security Update, February 14, 2002 (note: this is MS02-009)
--Security Update for Windows 98 (KB891711)
--Security Update for Windows 98 (KB891781)
--823559: Security Update for Microsoft Windows
--816093: Security Update for Microsoft Virtual Machine (Microsoft VM)
--814078: Security Update (Microsoft JScript version 5.1, Windows 98 and
Windows NT 4.0)
--Q329414: Security Update (MDAC 2.1)
--Q329115: Security Update (Windows 98)
--Windows Share Level Password Update
--Q323172 Security Update (Windows 98)
--Q323255 Security Update (Windows 98)
--Security Update, May 19, 2000 (note: this is MS00-029)
--Security Update, March 17, 2000 (note: this is MS00-017)
--Q320920 Security Update (Windows Media Player 6.4)
--Security Update 2, November 29, 1999 (note: this is MS99-052
--Security Update November 12, 1999 (note: this is MS99-049)
--Security Update March 7, 1999 (note: the Security Bulletin for this was
updated to MS02-14)
--Security Update November 20, 2001 (note: this is MS01-056)
--Security Update April 2, 2001 (note: this is MS01-017)

Next, without installing any of the above Updates, I installed the Microsoft
Windows Security Update CD. Upon returning to Windows Updates, I discover
the following:

Optional Updates: The same seven optional updates are offered as before.
While the Security CD included DirectX9, it wasn't the latest version,
DirectX 9.0c. An additional thirty-four Updates are offered, all of them
Language Support.

Critical Updates: 10 are offered, of which

--905915 (IE 6.1)
--837009 (OE 6.1)
--833989 (IE 6.1)
--908519 (a recently discovered networking issue, "Embedded Web Font
Vulnerability", that affects all 9x and NT systems.)
--904706 (DX 9)
--896358 (HTML Help vulnerability)
--888113 (Hyperlink Object Library vuln.)
--891711 (Cursor & Icon Format vuln.)
--891781 (DHTML Editing Component ActiveX vuln.)
--816093 (Security Update for Microsoft Virtual Machine)

That last one for VM is the only one remaining from the previous list. The
rest are either more recently discovered vulnerabilities or are patches to
the software installed by the Security CD.

I then installed all ten Critical Updates. Upon returning to Windows
Updates, no further Critical Updates are offered. The same seven optional
Updates are offered. I then installed DirectX 9.0c (which must be installed
separately.) Upon returning to Windows Updates, no further Critical Updates
were offered. I proceeded to install the remaining six Optional Updates.

Returning to Windows Updates yet again, I find two additional Critical
Updates.
--873374 (GDI+ Detection Tool -- Why I wasn't offered this earlier, I don't
know.)
--.NET Framework SP1

I installed both, and ran the GDI+ Detection tool. It seemed to say that I
had some kind of vulnerability, but I found no useful remedies, nor am I
sure what app it was flagging. This is a clean install. Anyway, after
installing the .NET Framework SP1, that was it. No more Updates offered.

Now, there remains at least one variation to try: What happens when I
install the Security CD right after installing WIn98. Are *all* of the
earlier issues I patched with most of Windows 98 Service Pack 1 covered?
Furthermore, there is WIn98SE to research, and finally, we'll see if we can
positively identify the specific patches from Win98 Gold that were subsumed
into SE -- besides the IE-specific ones. Stay tuned...

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

Related: GAry, does WU still offer Windows Critical Update Notification
utility (KB224420)?
--
~PA Bear

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Several people have asked recently about various Windows Updates. Like how
many have been issued since the Windows Updates Security CD was released,
how many of Win98 Gold's patches were subsumed into Win98SE, etc.
snip

Windows Critical Update Notification 4.0 is in the list of Optional Updates.
Not sure about the KB number, but I can check if you want me to.

Get your requests in quick, I'm returning this machine to service on Friday.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
Related: GAry, does WU still offer Windows Critical Update Notification
utility (KB224420)?
--
~PA Bear

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Several people have asked recently about various Windows Updates. Like
how
many have been issued since the Windows Updates Security CD was
released,
how many of Win98 Gold's patches were subsumed into Win98SE, etc.
snip

Hello!
Glad to read you again GAry. Question/confusion--I have what is indicated as
a successful download of WCU notification 4.0 (4/19/2005), but on manually
checking on my installation history printout, there was a failure to download
on 1/18/06 (twice). What gives? Also, on attempting to be scanned for
updates, I got an error# 0x800c0008. I sent a report. PS: I removed the
automatic update because it seemed to interfere with my pointer/program
(every five minutes).
--
mejp


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Windows Critical Update Notification 4.0 is in the list of Optional Updates.
Not sure about the KB number, but I can check if you want me to.

Get your requests in quick, I'm returning this machine to service on Friday.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
Related: GAry, does WU still offer Windows Critical Update Notification
utility (KB224420)?
--
~PA Bear

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Several people have asked recently about various Windows Updates. Like
how
many have been issued since the Windows Updates Security CD was
released,
how many of Win98 Gold's patches were subsumed into Win98SE, etc.
snip

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message


[...]

--905915 (IE 6.1)
--837009 (OE 6.1)
--833989 (IE 6.1)

IE 6.1 we wish there was an IE 6.1 coming for 9x, and
no doubt your meaning is these above are for IE6.0 SP1

Rick

Windows Update Troubleshooter
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/troubleshoot/

1.Windows Update scan feature reaches 100%, and then displays "There are no
updates available at this
time" message. The log file contains error 0x800c0008 or 0x80072EE4.

2. Error 0x800A138F displayed during Scan, 0x800C00008 shows in Windows
Update.log

The above both reference Win2K and WinXP but try the fixes anyway.

Mo

How to troubleshoot Windows Update, Microsoft Update, and Windows Server
Update Services installation issues:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=906602

1. See the "Need more help? Tell us what problem you are having" section of
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=ph;en-us;6527

2. You cannot install some updates or programs
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;822798

3a. Check Windowsupdate.log (%windir%\Windowsupdate.log) for errors
associated with the download/install.

How to read the Windowsupdate.log file:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=902093

3b. Compare errors to those listed he
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/archive...date_codes.htm and/or go to
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com click on Help and Support link in left
pane Solve problems on your own.

4. Windows Update Checklist:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/updtcl.htm

5. Windows Update-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/mi*croso....windowsupdate

Archive of Windows Update newsgroup:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/....windowsupdate
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP, DTS-L.org

winner5+63 wrote:
Hello!
Glad to read you again GAry. Question/confusion--I have what is indicated
as a successful download of WCU notification 4.0 (4/19/2005), but on
manually checking on my installation history printout, there was a
failure to download on 1/18/06 (twice). What gives? Also, on attempting
to be scanned for updates, I got an error# 0x800c0008. I sent a report.
PS: I removed the automatic update because it seemed to interfere with my
pointer/program (every five minutes).

You caught me. I was being sloppy. Indeed, what's offered to Win98/98SE is
IE 6 SP1.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message


[...]

--905915 (IE 6.1)
--837009 (OE 6.1)
--833989 (IE 6.1)

IE 6.1 we wish there was an IE 6.1 coming for 9x, and
no doubt your meaning is these above are for IE6.0 SP1

Rick

winner5+63 wrote:
Hello!
Glad to read you again GAry. Question/confusion--I have what is indicated as
a successful download of WCU notification 4.0 (4/19/2005), but on manually
checking on my installation history printout, there was a failure to download
on 1/18/06 (twice). What gives? Also, on attempting to be scanned for
updates, I got an error# 0x800c0008. I sent a report. PS: I removed the
automatic update because it seemed to interfere with my pointer/program
(every five minutes).

WCU notification 4.0 is junk. I say this because it was scanning my
computer every five minutes or so to check and see if there was a
critical update. It is the one Windows 98SE update along with the
multi-language features that I do not use.

Please continue,, this WILL be important to anyone still running 98.

You have my utmost attention..

copy and paste into Word
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Several people have asked recently about various Windows Updates. Like how
many have been issued since the Windows Updates Security CD was released,
how many of Win98 Gold's patches were subsumed into Win98SE, etc.

There are two major difficulties in this experiment. First, you can't get
to
Windows Updates using Win98 Gold right out of the box. It requires a
minimum
of IE 5.01; secondly, Internet Explorer is further an issue because which
updates you are offered depends in great part on what version of IE you
have
installed. But it's very difficult to say, "Ignore the IE Updates and only
focus on the non-IE updates," since IE is an integral part of Windows 9x,
especially since the advent of IE 5. A similar issue applies to Windows
Media Player. In a similar vein, many updates that were previously offered
to Win98 users have been made obsolete by newer versions. For instance,
there is no IE 5 version of any kind offered at Windows Updates these
days,
only IE6SP1. Thus, the only IE Updates I see before installing IE 6.1 are
those offered to IE 5.01.

In short, there are no simple answers to the questions posed -- no single
answer to the question, "How many updates (and which) were offered to
Win98
Gold that were subsumed into Win98SE," because SE included IE 5.01 and WMP
6.4 (I think), thus obviating all IE4 and earlier WMP updates. So, I will
do
my best to chronicle and document the steps I'm taking and let others
decide
what's important to them. Note: I did *not* return to the bad old days and
peruse the Corporate Updates site for pre-IE5 Updates. Someone else can do
that. I do recall at one time being an expert jockey of said site, but my
mind is fragile these days...

First thing I did was to install Windows 98 Gold (MSDN version which is
essentially the same as retail.) I installed all optional components. I
then
installed Service Pack 1, which includes the following:
--Both Y2K Updates
--Active Accessibility update
--Q189591 Computer Does Not Resume To Recognize USB Device From Standby
--Q222600 Bulk Transfer URLs Can Specify More Than 64 Bytes
--Q220586 Computer with Plug and Play Network Adapter Is Not Found (only
affects Win98 systems that were upgraded from Win95)
--Q178979 System Policy to Require Validation by Network May Not Work
--Q216641 Computer Hangs After 49.7 Days
--Q216565 New Dialing Rules for Spain and Italy Require TAPI Update

I did *not* install any Service Packs for IE 4.1 or patches depending on
IE4
or it's SPs. Q234680, for instance, is a patch to OE 4SP2.

I then installed IE 5.01, all optional components selected except specific
languages in the Multi-language section. Now I'm able to access Windows
Updates. Upon doing so, there are seven Optional and 20 Critical Updates
offered. One, of course, is IE6SP1. In earlier times, that one would have
been some earlier version of IE. (Note: The Criticals list is mostly in
reverse chronological order because that's the way Windows Updates lists
them.)

-----Optional Components-----
--DirectX 9.0c End-User Runtime
--Registration Wizard Update
--Microsoft .NET Framework version 1.1
--Windows Critical Update Notification 4.0
--Internet Explorer Navigation Sound Update
--Euro Conversion Tool
--Agent 2.0

--------Critical Updates--------
--IE6.1 Note: Because this is offered, no other updates for IE 5.01 are
offered.
--Security Update, February 14, 2002 (note: this is MS02-009)
--Security Update for Windows 98 (KB891711)
--Security Update for Windows 98 (KB891781)
--823559: Security Update for Microsoft Windows
--816093: Security Update for Microsoft Virtual Machine (Microsoft VM)
--814078: Security Update (Microsoft JScript version 5.1, Windows 98 and
Windows NT 4.0)
--Q329414: Security Update (MDAC 2.1)
--Q329115: Security Update (Windows 98)
--Windows Share Level Password Update
--Q323172 Security Update (Windows 98)
--Q323255 Security Update (Windows 98)
--Security Update, May 19, 2000 (note: this is MS00-029)
--Security Update, March 17, 2000 (note: this is MS00-017)
--Q320920 Security Update (Windows Media Player 6.4)
--Security Update 2, November 29, 1999 (note: this is MS99-052
--Security Update November 12, 1999 (note: this is MS99-049)
--Security Update March 7, 1999 (note: the Security Bulletin for this was
updated to MS02-14)
--Security Update November 20, 2001 (note: this is MS01-056)
--Security Update April 2, 2001 (note: this is MS01-017)

Next, without installing any of the above Updates, I installed the
Microsoft
Windows Security Update CD. Upon returning to Windows Updates, I discover
the following:

Optional Updates: The same seven optional updates are offered as before.
While the Security CD included DirectX9, it wasn't the latest version,
DirectX 9.0c. An additional thirty-four Updates are offered, all of them
Language Support.

Critical Updates: 10 are offered, of which

--905915 (IE 6.1)
--837009 (OE 6.1)
--833989 (IE 6.1)
--908519 (a recently discovered networking issue, "Embedded Web Font
Vulnerability", that affects all 9x and NT systems.)
--904706 (DX 9)
--896358 (HTML Help vulnerability)
--888113 (Hyperlink Object Library vuln.)
--891711 (Cursor & Icon Format vuln.)
--891781 (DHTML Editing Component ActiveX vuln.)
--816093 (Security Update for Microsoft Virtual Machine)

That last one for VM is the only one remaining from the previous list. The
rest are either more recently discovered vulnerabilities or are patches to
the software installed by the Security CD.

I then installed all ten Critical Updates. Upon returning to Windows
Updates, no further Critical Updates are offered. The same seven optional
Updates are offered. I then installed DirectX 9.0c (which must be
installed
separately.) Upon returning to Windows Updates, no further Critical
Updates
were offered. I proceeded to install the remaining six Optional Updates.

Returning to Windows Updates yet again, I find two additional Critical
Updates.
--873374 (GDI+ Detection Tool -- Why I wasn't offered this earlier, I
don't
know.)
--.NET Framework SP1

I installed both, and ran the GDI+ Detection tool. It seemed to say that I
had some kind of vulnerability, but I found no useful remedies, nor am I
sure what app it was flagging. This is a clean install. Anyway, after
installing the .NET Framework SP1, that was it. No more Updates offered.

Now, there remains at least one variation to try: What happens when I
install the Security CD right after installing WIn98. Are *all* of the
earlier issues I patched with most of Windows 98 Service Pack 1 covered?
Furthermore, there is WIn98SE to research, and finally, we'll see if we
can
positively identify the specific patches from Win98 Gold that were
subsumed
into SE -- besides the IE-specific ones. Stay tuned...

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
SAVED

OK, I'm having my own problem with Windows Update. I get error 0x80072F05,
which according to the troubleshooter means either that my time/date is off
(it isn't) or that one or another Root Certificate is invalid, which *is*
the case: The "No Liability" cert is expired in 2004 (fresh install of
Win98SE, though I can't understand why I didn't get this the first few times
I tried.) So, the so-called "Resolution" is to...Make sure the certs are
valid. Well, they aren't, but the damned t-shooter page doesn't say what to
do about it!!

First I spend three hours on the telephone with various gov. agencies,
99.99% of which was on menus and hold muzak, and now this!! I think I need a
vacation!

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
Windows Update Troubleshooter
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/troubleshoot/

1.Windows Update scan feature reaches 100%, and then displays "There are
no
updates available at this
time" message. The log file contains error 0x800c0008 or 0x80072EE4.

2. Error 0x800A138F displayed during Scan, 0x800C00008 shows in Windows
Update.log

The above both reference Win2K and WinXP but try the fixes anyway.

Mo

How to troubleshoot Windows Update, Microsoft Update, and Windows Server
Update Services installation issues:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=906602

1. See the "Need more help? Tell us what problem you are having" section
of
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=ph;en-us;6527

2. You cannot install some updates or programs
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;822798

3a. Check Windowsupdate.log (%windir%\Windowsupdate.log) for errors
associated with the download/install.

How to read the Windowsupdate.log file:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=902093

3b. Compare errors to those listed he
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/archive...date_codes.htm and/or go to
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com click on Help and Support link in
left
pane Solve problems on your own.

4. Windows Update Checklist:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/updtcl.htm

5. Windows Update-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/mi*croso....windowsupdate

Archive of Windows Update newsgroup:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/....windowsupdate
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP, DTS-L.org

winner5+63 wrote:
Hello!
Glad to read you again GAry. Question/confusion--I have what is
indicated
as a successful download of WCU notification 4.0 (4/19/2005), but on
manually checking on my installation history printout, there was a
failure to download on 1/18/06 (twice). What gives? Also, on attempting
to be scanned for updates, I got an error# 0x800c0008. I sent a report.
PS: I removed the automatic update because it seemed to interfere with
my
pointer/program (every five minutes).