What's the deal with MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) and Windows 98?

For the few that have reported in here on this issue, it has seemed to work
for them too.

glee wrote:
Well, that's not really true, Bill. It works for you, but may or may not
work for others. On some systems it may cause problems or strange
behaviours. That's a long way from "effectively resolved for all
practical
purposes" --

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
But the issue has been effectively resolved, for all "practical
purposes",
by swapping those two DLL files (IMO). Works GREAT over here!

Rick Chauvin wrote:
cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:

More on that, please? Which two .DLL files?

cquirke, if you can find a way to solve this problem without having to
swap
to the old 5.5 dlls and what that means, you will be W9x's official
grand
hero! vbg

The problem is real and is a royal p.i.t.a ..I get around it by
holding
the
Shift key when I want to delete anything out of the ordinary - and that
seems
to keep me out of the problem, but I would really like to get this fixed
correctly once and for all !

I've seen the work you did with the TS-BATS setup you made for parallel
installs and what that represented in know-how for you to do that, and
other
things, and so I'm complementing you forward to see if you can resolves
this
issue for us too.

Rick

:-) For the few, yes......but still a long way from "effectively resolved for all
practical purposes" s
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
For the few that have reported in here on this issue, it has seemed to work
for them too.

glee wrote:
Well, that's not really true, Bill. It works for you, but may or may not
work for others. On some systems it may cause problems or strange
behaviours. That's a long way from "effectively resolved for all
practical
purposes" --

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
But the issue has been effectively resolved, for all "practical
purposes",
by swapping those two DLL files (IMO). Works GREAT over here!

Rick Chauvin wrote:
cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:

More on that, please? Which two .DLL files?

cquirke, if you can find a way to solve this problem without having to
swap
to the old 5.5 dlls and what that means, you will be W9x's official
grand
hero! vbg

The problem is real and is a royal p.i.t.a ..I get around it by
holding
the
Shift key when I want to delete anything out of the ordinary - and that
seems
to keep me out of the problem, but I would really like to get this fixed
correctly once and for all !

I've seen the work you did with the TS-BATS setup you made for parallel
installs and what that represented in know-how for you to do that, and
other
things, and so I'm complementing you forward to see if you can resolves
this
issue for us too.

Rick

:-) For the few, yes......but still a long way from "effectively resolved for all
practical purposes" s
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
For the few that have reported in here on this issue, it has seemed to work
for them too.

glee wrote:
Well, that's not really true, Bill. It works for you, but may or may not
work for others. On some systems it may cause problems or strange
behaviours. That's a long way from "effectively resolved for all
practical
purposes" --

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
But the issue has been effectively resolved, for all "practical
purposes",
by swapping those two DLL files (IMO). Works GREAT over here!

Rick Chauvin wrote:
cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:

More on that, please? Which two .DLL files?

cquirke, if you can find a way to solve this problem without having to
swap
to the old 5.5 dlls and what that means, you will be W9x's official
grand
hero! vbg

The problem is real and is a royal p.i.t.a ..I get around it by
holding
the
Shift key when I want to delete anything out of the ordinary - and that
seems
to keep me out of the problem, but I would really like to get this fixed
correctly once and for all !

I've seen the work you did with the TS-BATS setup you made for parallel
installs and what that represented in know-how for you to do that, and
other
things, and so I'm complementing you forward to see if you can resolves
this
issue for us too.

Rick

And there's *still* no knowing what got broken by employing this "fix".

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"glee" wrote in message
...
:-) For the few, yes......but still a long way from "effectively
resolved for all
practical purposes" s
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
For the few that have reported in here on this issue, it has seemed
to work
for them too.

glee wrote:
Well, that's not really true, Bill. It works for you, but may or
may not
work for others. On some systems it may cause problems or strange
behaviours. That's a long way from "effectively resolved for all
practical
purposes" --

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
But the issue has been effectively resolved, for all "practical
purposes",
by swapping those two DLL files (IMO). Works GREAT over here!

Rick Chauvin wrote:
cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:

More on that, please? Which two .DLL files?

cquirke, if you can find a way to solve this problem without
having to
swap
to the old 5.5 dlls and what that means, you will be W9x's
official
grand
hero! vbg

The problem is real and is a royal p.i.t.a ..I get around it
by
holding
the
Shift key when I want to delete anything out of the ordinary -
and that
seems
to keep me out of the problem, but I would really like to get
this fixed
correctly once and for all !

I've seen the work you did with the TS-BATS setup you made for
parallel
installs and what that represented in know-how for you to do
that, and
other
things, and so I'm complementing you forward to see if you can
resolves
this
issue for us too.

Rick

And there's *still* no knowing what got broken by employing this "fix".

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"glee" wrote in message
...
:-) For the few, yes......but still a long way from "effectively
resolved for all
practical purposes" s
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
For the few that have reported in here on this issue, it has seemed
to work
for them too.

glee wrote:
Well, that's not really true, Bill. It works for you, but may or
may not
work for others. On some systems it may cause problems or strange
behaviours. That's a long way from "effectively resolved for all
practical
purposes" --

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
But the issue has been effectively resolved, for all "practical
purposes",
by swapping those two DLL files (IMO). Works GREAT over here!

Rick Chauvin wrote:
cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:

More on that, please? Which two .DLL files?

cquirke, if you can find a way to solve this problem without
having to
swap
to the old 5.5 dlls and what that means, you will be W9x's
official
grand
hero! vbg

The problem is real and is a royal p.i.t.a ..I get around it
by
holding
the
Shift key when I want to delete anything out of the ordinary -
and that
seems
to keep me out of the problem, but I would really like to get
this fixed
correctly once and for all !

I've seen the work you did with the TS-BATS setup you made for
parallel
installs and what that represented in know-how for you to do
that, and
other
things, and so I'm complementing you forward to see if you can
resolves
this
issue for us too.

Rick

Bill in Co. wrote:
But the issue has been effectively resolved, for all "practical purposes",
by swapping those two DLL files (IMO). Works GREAT over here!

Yes Bill we know full well your feelings about the issue, and others.
...been there done that...
Hey that reminds me of George Bindar Dundat g ...which I hope he is
doing well.

Bill you are probably a really big guy that no one would want to mess with in
a bar, and you have you own way and ideas about everything you do and you do
everything your own way - no matter what anyone tells you on countless
issues over the past years whether they are technically right or wrong. You
remind me of a stubborn bull in a china closet ...and over the years you buck
everything and everybody

Technically speaking the dll swap is a backwards hack in so many obvious
ways; however, I do totally understand and respect that you want to use it
and hey afterall I used it for 6 months myself and through that time
supported others in doing it just like you are. Yes I agree and it's
true that the way IE6 is stock with this problem is unacceptable.

I vote to get it fixed properly though so that those two dll's are inclusive
of all Numerous Updates that are Missing if swapped, no to mention any code
disconnects causing the other anomalies you will experience eventually. Yeah
Yeah I know I know, you don't care about updates anymore... Well, I do
If something is worth doing then it's worth doing right.

peace,
...and my post is not a putdown at you - it's just 'call it like it is' bar
talk over a few beers, and so take it in that context.

Rick



Rick Chauvin wrote:
cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:

More on that, please? Which two .DLL files?

cquirke, if you can find a way to solve this problem without having to
swap to the old 5.5 dlls and what that means, you will be W9x's official
grand hero! vbg

The problem is real and is a royal p.i.t.a ..I get around it by holding
the Shift key when I want to delete anything out of the ordinary - and
that seems to keep me out of the problem, but I would really like to get
this fixed correctly once and for all !

I've seen the work you did with the TS-BATS setup you made for parallel
installs and what that represented in know-how for you to do that, and
other things, and so I'm complementing you forward to see if you can
resolves this issue for us too.

Rick

Bill in Co. wrote:
But the issue has been effectively resolved, for all "practical purposes",
by swapping those two DLL files (IMO). Works GREAT over here!

Yes Bill we know full well your feelings about the issue, and others.
...been there done that...
Hey that reminds me of George Bindar Dundat g ...which I hope he is
doing well.

Bill you are probably a really big guy that no one would want to mess with in
a bar, and you have you own way and ideas about everything you do and you do
everything your own way - no matter what anyone tells you on countless
issues over the past years whether they are technically right or wrong. You
remind me of a stubborn bull in a china closet ...and over the years you buck
everything and everybody

Technically speaking the dll swap is a backwards hack in so many obvious
ways; however, I do totally understand and respect that you want to use it
and hey afterall I used it for 6 months myself and through that time
supported others in doing it just like you are. Yes I agree and it's
true that the way IE6 is stock with this problem is unacceptable.

I vote to get it fixed properly though so that those two dll's are inclusive
of all Numerous Updates that are Missing if swapped, no to mention any code
disconnects causing the other anomalies you will experience eventually. Yeah
Yeah I know I know, you don't care about updates anymore... Well, I do
If something is worth doing then it's worth doing right.

peace,
...and my post is not a putdown at you - it's just 'call it like it is' bar
talk over a few beers, and so take it in that context.

Rick



Rick Chauvin wrote:
cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:

More on that, please? Which two .DLL files?

cquirke, if you can find a way to solve this problem without having to
swap to the old 5.5 dlls and what that means, you will be W9x's official
grand hero! vbg

The problem is real and is a royal p.i.t.a ..I get around it by holding
the Shift key when I want to delete anything out of the ordinary - and
that seems to keep me out of the problem, but I would really like to get
this fixed correctly once and for all !

I've seen the work you did with the TS-BATS setup you made for parallel
installs and what that represented in know-how for you to do that, and
other things, and so I'm complementing you forward to see if you can
resolves this issue for us too.

Rick

I'll let ya know when I encounter it! :-)
Speaking of "there's still no way of knowing"..., the same logic applies to
taking in some of those updates!

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
And there's *still* no knowing what got broken by employing this "fix".

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"glee" wrote in message
...
:-) For the few, yes......but still a long way from "effectively
resolved
for all practical purposes" s
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
For the few that have reported in here on this issue, it has seemed to
work
for them too.

glee wrote:
Well, that's not really true, Bill. It works for you, but may or may
not
work for others. On some systems it may cause problems or strange
behaviours. That's a long way from "effectively resolved for all
practical
purposes" --

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
But the issue has been effectively resolved, for all "practical
purposes",
by swapping those two DLL files (IMO). Works GREAT over here!

Rick Chauvin wrote:
cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:

More on that, please? Which two .DLL files?

cquirke, if you can find a way to solve this problem without having
to
swap to the old 5.5 dlls and what that means, you will be W9x's
official
grand hero! vbg

The problem is real and is a royal p.i.t.a ..I get around it
by
holding
the
Shift key when I want to delete anything out of the ordinary - and
that
seems to keep me out of the problem, but I would really like to get
this
fixed correctly once and for all !

I've seen the work you did with the TS-BATS setup you made for
parallel
installs and what that represented in know-how for you to do that,
and
other things, and so I'm complementing you forward to see if you can
resolves this issue for us too.

Rick

I'll let ya know when I encounter it! :-)
Speaking of "there's still no way of knowing"..., the same logic applies to
taking in some of those updates!

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
And there's *still* no knowing what got broken by employing this "fix".

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"glee" wrote in message
...
:-) For the few, yes......but still a long way from "effectively
resolved
for all practical purposes" s
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
For the few that have reported in here on this issue, it has seemed to
work
for them too.

glee wrote:
Well, that's not really true, Bill. It works for you, but may or may
not
work for others. On some systems it may cause problems or strange
behaviours. That's a long way from "effectively resolved for all
practical
purposes" --

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
But the issue has been effectively resolved, for all "practical
purposes",
by swapping those two DLL files (IMO). Works GREAT over here!

Rick Chauvin wrote:
cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:

More on that, please? Which two .DLL files?

cquirke, if you can find a way to solve this problem without having
to
swap to the old 5.5 dlls and what that means, you will be W9x's
official
grand hero! vbg

The problem is real and is a royal p.i.t.a ..I get around it
by
holding
the
Shift key when I want to delete anything out of the ordinary - and
that
seems to keep me out of the problem, but I would really like to get
this
fixed correctly once and for all !

I've seen the work you did with the TS-BATS setup you made for
parallel
installs and what that represented in know-how for you to do that,
and
other things, and so I'm complementing you forward to see if you can
resolves this issue for us too.

Rick

Rick Chauvin wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
But the issue has been effectively resolved, for all "practical
purposes",
by swapping those two DLL files (IMO). Works GREAT over here!

Yes Bill we know full well your feelings about the issue, and others.
..been there done that...

Not just my feeling - several others in here too.

Hey that reminds me of George Bindar Dundat g ...which I hope he is
doing well.

Bill you are probably a really big guy that no one would want to mess with
in
a bar, and you have you own way and ideas about everything you do and you
do
everything your own way - no matter what anyone tells you on countless
issues over the past years whether they are technically right or wrong.
You
remind me of a stubborn bull in a china closet ...and over the years you
buck
everything and everybody

Not a big guy, but a stubborn ornery one, one not easily swayed by "the
crowd".

Remember Emerson? "whoso would be a man, must be a non-conformist", and
that comes naturally for me. :-)

Technically speaking the dll swap is a backwards hack in so many obvious
ways; however, I do totally understand and respect that you want to use it
and hey afterall I used it for 6 months myself and through that time
supported others in doing it just like you are. Yes I agree and it's
true that the way IE6 is stock with this problem is unacceptable.

TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!!!. If I had to live with THAT, I'd almost consider
switching back to IE 5.5 SP2, but I can't do that easily anyways, besides
which, at least now I have a little more protection, without "relying" on
those "sometimes problematic" "windows updates"

I vote to get it fixed properly though so that those two dll's are
inclusive
of all Numerous Updates that are Missing if swapped, no to mention any
code
disconnects causing the other anomalies you will experience eventually.
Yeah
Yeah I know I know, you don't care about updates anymore... Well, I do

If something is worth doing then it's worth doing right.

Yeah, but do you really think it's gonna happen in our lifetime? Come on
now, let's not be naive. (Of course I never thought I'd live to see the
Berlin Wall come down either)

peace,
..and my post is not a putdown at you - it's just 'call it like it is' bar
talk over a few beers, and so take it in that context.

Rick

Good enough, Rick! :-)


Rick Chauvin wrote:
cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:

More on that, please? Which two .DLL files?

cquirke, if you can find a way to solve this problem without having to
swap to the old 5.5 dlls and what that means, you will be W9x's official
grand hero! vbg

The problem is real and is a royal p.i.t.a ..I get around it by
holding
the Shift key when I want to delete anything out of the ordinary - and
that seems to keep me out of the problem, but I would really like to get
this fixed correctly once and for all !

I've seen the work you did with the TS-BATS setup you made for parallel
installs and what that represented in know-how for you to do that, and
other things, and so I'm complementing you forward to see if you can
resolves this issue for us too.

Rick