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I didn't mean that to sound as harsh as it looks. I fully understand why
people can't or don't want to repro the issue and/or waste more time on the problem, particularly those who aren't familiar with the joys of deliberately hacking their own systems, eg. Only, it would certainly help if those who have experienced the problem could give more feedback to the people who are now in charge of fixing it. Particularly those folks who are especially computer savvy. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "glee" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, the machines I saw the problems on were at work, the update was removed right away, and I can't put it back on to test, as it is a work computer and I cannot "test" on those. I have not been able to repro the problem on another machine yet....maybe this weekend I can try on some old machines here at home. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... Just read the Win98.Gen_Discussion group, or the WindowsME.General group, and you'll see several examples of KB891711 causing BSODs. Believe me, there *is* a problem, and MS *is* working on a solution. The biggest problem we have, now, is most people who are having trouble with KB891711 don't seem to be willing to perform some rather simple tests and return the results. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts' the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at work..... roof is needed not rumors. I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head yet. "Dan" wrote in message ... It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof. "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... : Any particular boards? : : Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one : saying it must be ...? : : "Dan" wrote in message : ... : Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc with : some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For some of : the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all the : users. : : "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message : ... : : Whata's the downside of this update? : : : : "Ivan Bútora" wrote in message : : ... : : Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to : install : : it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates : in : : general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the : other : : hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the : : inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is : far : : greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind : that : : there have been several updates this year considered "important" for : Windows : : 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, : the : : difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so : significant : : in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is* : : vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all : the : : time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having : this : : one patch installed. : : : : And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT : : anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would : run : : a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found : other : : than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being : : aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet. : : : : Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I : do : : know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner, : : without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently : without : : testing in dial-up systems, etc. : : : : : : : : "Dan" wrote in message : : ... : : According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has : as : : of now : : not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical : : update : : because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to : : compromise : : all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not : : been : : updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a : : maximum of : : 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to : the : : Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because : I : : am : : sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but : this : is : : a : : temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while : on-line. : : If : : programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this : : CRITICAL : : PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the : patch : : because : : of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, : USB : : cable : : or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not : do : : this : : and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for : your : : system : : to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I : know : a : : lot : : about security on computers and weak access points and could : probably : do : : it : : without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping : the : : U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and : get : : one : : small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the : : terriorists and : : finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help : you : : with : : your computer problems. Have a nice day! : : : : "98 Guy" wrote in message : ... : : : : : : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he : : : : : : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx : : : : : : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week) : : : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost : : : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the : background. : : : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such : update : : : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of : simply : : : replacing an existing file). : : : : : : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is : critical : : : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply : deactivating : : : it (via msconfig). : : : : : : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and : KB891711.EXE? : : : : : : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode : to : : : properly install it) ? : : : : : : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ? : : : : : : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ??? : : : : : : : : : |
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I'm computer savvy enough to know I'm done with those updates. (YMMV).
I've learned my lessons the hard way. That's my story, and I'm stickin to it - well, at least for the most part, anyway! Gary S. Terhune wrote: I didn't mean that to sound as harsh as it looks. I fully understand why people can't or don't want to repro the issue and/or waste more time on the problem, particularly those who aren't familiar with the joys of deliberately hacking their own systems, eg. Only, it would certainly help if those who have experienced the problem could give more feedback to the people who are now in charge of fixing it. Particularly those folks who are especially computer savvy. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "glee" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, the machines I saw the problems on were at work, the update was removed right away, and I can't put it back on to test, as it is a work computer and I cannot "test" on those. I have not been able to repro the problem on another machine yet....maybe this weekend I can try on some old machines here at home. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... Just read the Win98.Gen_Discussion group, or the WindowsME.General group, and you'll see several examples of KB891711 causing BSODs. Believe me, there *is* a problem, and MS *is* working on a solution. The biggest problem we have, now, is most people who are having trouble with KB891711 don't seem to be willing to perform some rather simple tests and return the results. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts' the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at work..... roof is needed not rumors. I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head yet. "Dan" wrote in message ... It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof. "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... Any particular boards? Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one saying it must be ...? "Dan" wrote in message ... Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc with some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For some of the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all the users. "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... Whata's the downside of this update? "Ivan Bútora" wrote in message ... Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind that there have been several updates this year considered "important" for Windows 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so significant in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is* vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this one patch installed. And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would run a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found other than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet. Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner, without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently without testing in dial-up systems, etc. "Dan" wrote in message ... According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as of now not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical update because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to compromise all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not been updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a maximum of 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I am sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is a temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line. If programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this CRITICAL PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch because of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB cable or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do this and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your system to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a lot about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do it without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get one small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the terriorists and finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you with your computer problems. Have a nice day! "98 Guy" wrote in message ... If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week) gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background. It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply replacing an existing file). Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating it (via msconfig). Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE? Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to properly install it) ? Is it really needed? (for win-98) ? Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ??? |
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So, your purpose in participating in this thread is......?
-- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... I'm computer savvy enough to know I'm done with those updates. (YMMV). I've learned my lessons the hard way. That's my story, and I'm stickin to it - well, at least for the most part, anyway! Gary S. Terhune wrote: I didn't mean that to sound as harsh as it looks. I fully understand why people can't or don't want to repro the issue and/or waste more time on the problem, particularly those who aren't familiar with the joys of deliberately hacking their own systems, eg. Only, it would certainly help if those who have experienced the problem could give more feedback to the people who are now in charge of fixing it. Particularly those folks who are especially computer savvy. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "glee" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, the machines I saw the problems on were at work, the update was removed right away, and I can't put it back on to test, as it is a work computer and I cannot "test" on those. I have not been able to repro the problem on another machine yet....maybe this weekend I can try on some old machines here at home. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... Just read the Win98.Gen_Discussion group, or the WindowsME.General group, and you'll see several examples of KB891711 causing BSODs. Believe me, there *is* a problem, and MS *is* working on a solution. The biggest problem we have, now, is most people who are having trouble with KB891711 don't seem to be willing to perform some rather simple tests and return the results. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts' the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at work..... roof is needed not rumors. I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head yet. "Dan" wrote in message ... It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof. "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... Any particular boards? Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one saying it must be ...? "Dan" wrote in message ... Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc with some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For some of the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all the users. "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... Whata's the downside of this update? "Ivan Bútora" wrote in message ... Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind that there have been several updates this year considered "important" for Windows 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so significant in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is* vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this one patch installed. And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would run a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found other than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet. Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner, without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently without testing in dial-up systems, etc. "Dan" wrote in message ... According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as of now not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical update because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to compromise all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not been updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a maximum of 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I am sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is a temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line. If programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this CRITICAL PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch because of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB cable or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do this and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your system to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a lot about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do it without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get one small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the terriorists and finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you with your computer problems. Have a nice day! "98 Guy" wrote in message ... If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week) gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background. It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply replacing an existing file). Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating it (via msconfig). Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE? Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to properly install it) ? Is it really needed? (for win-98) ? Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ??? |
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To warn people of the possible pitfalls of just blinding subscribing to the
"I need to get an update!" mantra. Gary S. Terhune wrote: So, your purpose in participating in this thread is......? -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... I'm computer savvy enough to know I'm done with those updates. (YMMV). I've learned my lessons the hard way. That's my story, and I'm stickin to it - well, at least for the most part, anyway! Gary S. Terhune wrote: I didn't mean that to sound as harsh as it looks. I fully understand why people can't or don't want to repro the issue and/or waste more time on the problem, particularly those who aren't familiar with the joys of deliberately hacking their own systems, eg. Only, it would certainly help if those who have experienced the problem could give more feedback to the people who are now in charge of fixing it. Particularly those folks who are especially computer savvy. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "glee" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, the machines I saw the problems on were at work, the update was removed right away, and I can't put it back on to test, as it is a work computer and I cannot "test" on those. I have not been able to repro the problem on another machine yet....maybe this weekend I can try on some old machines here at home. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... Just read the Win98.Gen_Discussion group, or the WindowsME.General group, and you'll see several examples of KB891711 causing BSODs. Believe me, there *is* a problem, and MS *is* working on a solution. The biggest problem we have, now, is most people who are having trouble with KB891711 don't seem to be willing to perform some rather simple tests and return the results. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm snipped for some brevity |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:50:26 -0700, "Bill in Co."
I can tell you this much, everything is working over here, including the troubleshooters! Well, except for that stupid file copy/delete problem in copying a large number of files in Windows Explorer (with IE 6 and Win98SE) - but that's been fixed by swapping those two DLL files. More on that, please? Which two .DLL files? ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - Gone to bloggery: http://cquirke.blogspot.com ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:05:40 -0500, "PCR" wrote:
Also, I'm sure, some of the security "flaws" MS are always fixing don't need a virus to cause harm, but just a malicious WEB site. Read between the lines - for "web site", usually that means HTML, and that can include unsolicited email "message text". ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - Gone to bloggery: http://cquirke.blogspot.com ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - |
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Much as I hate to come to his defense, I suspect, if Terhune were
blindly doing anything, he'd 'a' fallen into an earthquake by now! -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... | To warn people of the possible pitfalls of just blinding subscribing to the | "I need to get an update!" mantra. | | Gary S. Terhune wrote: | So, your purpose in participating in this thread is......? | | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS MVP Shell/User | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm | | "Bill in Co." wrote in message | ... | I'm computer savvy enough to know I'm done with those updates. (YMMV). | I've learned my lessons the hard way. That's my story, and I'm stickin | to | it - well, at least for the most part, anyway! | | Gary S. Terhune wrote: | I didn't mean that to sound as harsh as it looks. I fully understand why | people can't or don't want to repro the issue and/or waste more time on | the problem, particularly those who aren't familiar with the joys of | deliberately hacking their own systems, eg. Only, it would certainly | help if those who have experienced the problem could give more feedback | to the people who are now in charge of fixing it. Particularly those | folks who are especially computer savvy. | | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS MVP Shell/User | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm | | "glee" wrote in message | ... | Unfortunately, the machines I saw the problems on were at work, the | update | was removed right away, and I can't put it back on to test, as it is a | work | computer and I cannot "test" on those. | | I have not been able to repro the problem on another machine | yet....maybe | this weekend I can try on some old machines here at home. | -- | Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ | http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm | | "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message | ... | Just read the Win98.Gen_Discussion group, or the WindowsME.General | group, and you'll see several examples of KB891711 causing BSODs. | Believe me, there *is* a problem, and MS *is* working on a solution. | The | biggest problem we have, now, is most people who are having trouble | with | KB891711 don't seem to be willing to perform some rather simple tests | and return the results. | | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS MVP Shell/User | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm | | snipped for some brevity | | |
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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:50:26 -0700, "Bill in Co." I can tell you this much, everything is working over here, including the troubleshooters! Well, except for that stupid file copy/delete problem in copying a large number of files in Windows Explorer (with IE 6 and Win98SE) - but that's been fixed by swapping those two DLL files. More on that, please? Which two .DLL files? browseui.dll browselc.dll If you swap these two with the older IE 5.5 versions, that problem goes away. But be sure to put the newer IE6 ones in \program files\intenet explorer You'll (obviously) have to do some of this in DOS, since the files are used by windows. Here is the reference article: http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - Gone to bloggery: http://cquirke.blogspot.com ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - |
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I didn't say it with disrespect, but just as a cautionary measure. And I
think we are all entitled to have our own opinions. I don't think there is one "right" answer for everyone in all situations - that's all. PCR wrote: Much as I hate to come to his defense, I suspect, if Terhune were blindly doing anything, he'd 'a' fallen into an earthquake by now! -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... To warn people of the possible pitfalls of just blinding subscribing to the "I need to get an update!" mantra. Gary S. Terhune wrote: So, your purpose in participating in this thread is......? -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... I'm computer savvy enough to know I'm done with those updates. (YMMV). I've learned my lessons the hard way. That's my story, and I'm stickin to it - well, at least for the most part, anyway! Gary S. Terhune wrote: I didn't mean that to sound as harsh as it looks. I fully understand why people can't or don't want to repro the issue and/or waste more time on the problem, particularly those who aren't familiar with the joys of deliberately hacking their own systems, eg. Only, it would certainly help if those who have experienced the problem could give more feedback to the people who are now in charge of fixing it. Particularly those folks who are especially computer savvy. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "glee" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, the machines I saw the problems on were at work, the update was removed right away, and I can't put it back on to test, as it is a work computer and I cannot "test" on those. I have not been able to repro the problem on another machine yet....maybe this weekend I can try on some old machines here at home. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... Just read the Win98.Gen_Discussion group, or the WindowsME.General group, and you'll see several examples of KB891711 causing BSODs. Believe me, there *is* a problem, and MS *is* working on a solution. The biggest problem we have, now, is most people who are having trouble with KB891711 don't seem to be willing to perform some rather simple tests and return the results. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm snipped for some brevity |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:42:47 -0500, "PCR" wrote:
I would go for my full system backup in that circumstance. Although I've created a ton of partitions now, still I'm not that complex to restore. Good for you, though, to beat them in hand to hand combat, Colorado. (referring to "difficult" malware) At a basic theory level, the concept of "backup" is inherently broken: - retain all wanted changes - lose all unwanted changes On what magical basis is "backup" supposed to separate these, before you know what these unwanted changes are? The answer is, dividing content by scope, so as to include all wanted changes and exclude all unwanted changes. The classic scope is that universal X-axis; time. You make your full system backup before unwanted changes occur, and before you create further wanted changes. Then when you have a problem, you restore that backup, losing no wanted changes but losing all unwanted changes. That's how I use SR (System Restore) when I'm about to do something I know is risky, such as upgrade a Windows subsystem like DirectX when I don't trust it will have a clean and effective uninstaller. But it is the nature of malware to confound time-scoped backups. The malware typically arrives without drawing attention to itself, is incorporated into your full system backups, and only later (after creating many wanted changes) do you realize you have a problem. How does your "full system backup" magically fix that? ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - Gone to bloggery: http://cquirke.blogspot.com ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - |
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