I have to wonder if such off topic is an effort to kill ME, since this is a
wME group.

That said here goes. Populace has to have guns in the event it is necessary
to revolt against mind control of Hitler types. Otherwise you get Sadam and
minions overlording the populace. You can find many examples of such around
the world like in Africa. Besides, guns won't kill wME.

And something else to chew on. (Vietnam Veteran) We didn't lose that Fing
war. The war was lost by the same types that today are saying Iraq is
another Vietnam. White House tapes prove it was hampered by diplomacy
because of nuclear concerns. No one can say that the push at the end if at
other time would not have proven concerns correct. Although peace monkeys
likely brought that push about, they should weigh their actions against the
millions of lives lost after the peace. That sums the many years of the war,
except the end when the push occurred. (when I served). From 68 to 72, much
control had been handed to RVN, especially in air control, albeit with old
antiquated planes and equipment. Major offensive launched by NVA, Easter of
'72, moving massive amounts of arms and troops south of border, large
numbers of Marines and Marine air wing moved back into Vietnam to stop their
advance. Peacenik pressure against Vietnam moved most of us to support
areas, within flying distance. With winning or losing forced to foreground,
Linebacker I and II were exercised. We finally did what could have been done
earlier if not for the diplomacy thing. We took it to Hanoi and forced them
to meet in Paris. But because of traitors like John F Kerry who held
unauthorized meetings with them, they renigged, resulting in Linebacker II.
They signed that time. It is the Kerry types that would rather have you, us,
lose wars. Maybe it would put most diplomats out of a job.
Lose, no way, we won the peace and that is what going to war is about.
We are disgraced by the fact that the peaceniks have not had to wear the
scars of what they did, yet we are constantly forced to wear the albatross
they created. They and the Capitol monkeys of the same mind. RVN lost in the
end because the Capitol monkeys, in a single stroke, cut all money for the
promised weapons and support to RVN. If someone takes away your guns, how
long can you last against a well armed force that is being resupplied by
Russia and China?

Vietnam should never be compared to Iraq, just for the reason that it was
about Communist dominoes and this one is about a bunch of fanatics
indoctrinated in getting to Allah quickly via nuclear, biological, and
chemical. You have to know if they were handed a bomb that would vaporize
Earth, they'd hold a party and detonate it. KEEP THAT IN MIND!

Last thought, and something for the Brits to chew over, Geneva Convention.
That Armed Forces Geneva Convention Card troops carry is a bunch of baloney
created post the big one. If it had been in place during WWII, England would
have lost, US likely would have lost. At the top and bottom of that Geneva
document it should have in very large letters, "YOU BREAK THESE RULES, SO DO
WE, WITH PAYBACK!" You don't win wars by tying hands behind back.

Norman

"Shane" wrote in message
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I'll send paragraph by paragraph and see which do and don't get through.



Shane wrote:
I've sent three posts this morning - a response to Job, an inserted
oar to Patc, and the response I promised Figgs (in which I now see I
repeat quite a lot and its not quite as incisive as I originally
meant). The first two got through, the last hasn't (I've reset the
group twice). The last one gives my reasons for no longer believing
in a law passed here some years ago now, allusions to which I've made
before. The question is: who would censor it? Because these days it
wouldn't necessarily be MS and such is precisely why I justified my
current position on the emotive subject. If this gets through and
*it* hasn't I'll repost it in various forms.