As always, your welcome, and thanks for the recognition..

Good luck with the info. I think you'll find there are many more uses for
this "old" operating environment than many will admit.
Kinda like us "old guys"; guess we can still provide some kind of
function... hehe grin

--
MEB
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world"

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Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if
nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
Or to put it another way:
Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one.
_______________

"Alan" wrote in message
...
| What can I say! There I was thinking a RAM upgrade was just a matter of
| putting a VCACHE entry into the System.ini. file and Bob's your uncle!
Many
| thanks for taking the time and trouble to resource and post all this
| information. Needless to say, It will take me a little while to process it
| all.
| Thanks again.
| Alan.
|
| "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| ...
| You have asked for specific information, some of which has been
addressed
| elsewhere in this news group. As there are at least three issues, this
| post
| is lengthy.
|
| BIG questions require big answers soooooooo...... [don't yell at me for
| big
| post guys, he asked, I deliver, why drag it out, and I did give you
credit
| where credit due] save this somewhere for future reference.
|
| Relevant Google Search terms would be (heck you could even check on
| MICROSOFT, wouldn't that be interesting):
|
| Windows "DOSPRMPT"
| Windows "dosstart.bat"
| (don't include the quotes; you will find these located in your Windows
| directory and can be modified by you for specific use) and
| Windows "Exit to DOS"
| again not including the quotes; which you can/will create as well.
|
| Also search for:
| undocumented DOS
|
| Windows Help contains some basic information (on the START menu). Use
the
| index to search for MS-DOS.
|
| http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q138996
| Description of Restarting Computer in MS-DOS Mode
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=134400
| General Tips for Using MS-DOS Mode
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=232915
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=188322
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=195176
| http://www.aumha.org/
| http://www.windowshelp.net/ (don't know if this is still around or
| relevant, might be .com {memory lapse})
| http://www.microsoft.com/technet
|
| HOP over to Microsoft's ftp:
| 08/27/94 S14710 PD0747.TXT MS-DOS 6.0 Configuration Q&A
| 05/31/94 S14769 97DOSQA.EXE MSJ 7/94 MS-DOS Q & A
| 04/07/94 S14707 PD0744.TXT MS-DOS 6.0 General
| Installation
| Q&A
| 03/22/94 S14666 95DOSQA.EXE MSJ: MS-DOS Q & A
| 08/16/95 S15494 OLDDOS.EXE MS-DOS Utilities (OLDDOS.EXE)
|
|
|
| PCR submitted a master post addressing DOS aspects relating to inability
| to
| exit DOS, though much of that material would be relevant to your
| questions,
| and potential outcome.
|
| From: "PCR"
| References: . com
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Subject: How to start Win98 after booting in MS-DOS?
| Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:35:29 -0400
| Message-ID:
| Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
| Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
| Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:809410
|
| Well, below is the full Master Post, then-- but you're running out! =
| Geez!
|
| How you must exit from a Restart to MS-DOS depends upon the Properties =
| of "Exit to DOS.pif". Put that string into a Find, INCLUDING the quotes.
=
| It should be found in C:\Windows. R-Clk it, Properties, Program tab, =
| Advanced button-- what is checked & bolted?
|
| Also, "START, Find, *.wos"-- does any show up? It shouldn't!
|
| Here's the Master Post...
|
| A .pif (shortcut to a DOS command) is created when a DOS command is
| clicked to execute. Normally, the .pif will be put into the folder of
| the command that is clicked. After that, clicking the .pif will execute
| the DOS program. You may move it elsewhere. At it's "Properties, Program
| tab, Advanced button" it is checked "Suggest MS-DOS Mode as necessary".
| C:\Windows\PIF\ is used to hold .pif's that Windows creates when they
| cannot be put anywhere else. That happens when you click a DOS app on a
| (write protected?) floppy or CD, I believe. It can be troublesome to
| have a .pif in there, though.
|
| Much can be done at the Properties tabs of a .pif, including having
| Windows reboot to DOS & run off it's private Config.sys & Autoexec.bat
| files.
|
| http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;151717
| Can't EXIT MS-DOS Mode
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D130448
| Can't QUIT MS-DOS Mode
| http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q138996
| Description of Restarting Computer in MS-DOS Mode
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D134400
| General Tips for Using MS-DOS Mode
|
| "Windows 98 Secrets" (Livingston/Straub), pgs 1068,1099, explains:
|
| 1. Direct Boot to DOS (Cold booted DOS)
|
| a. Accessed through Boot Menu item, "Command Prompt Only".
| b. Windows is not started.
| c. Config.sys & Autoexec.bat are run, if present.
| d. Ctrl-Alt-Del boots Windows. "WIN" loads Windows.
|
| 2. "Quit" to DOS (Re-started MS-DOS mode)
|
| a. Accessed from "START, Shut Down, Re-start in MS-DOS mode", unless
| "exit to DOS" pif was converted to "Warm Boot".
| b. Accessed from any .pif whose "Properties, Program tab, Advanced
| button" is checked "MS-DOS mode" but NOT bolted "Specify a new MS-DOS
| configuration".
| c. Is NOT a warm boot; Config.sys & Autoexec.bat are NOT re-run, but are
| honored to the extent Windows has not mussed the environment they set.
| d. Dosstart.bat is run, if present.
| e. "EXIT" reloads Windows (from 4K stub), also without a boot.
| Ctrl-Alt-Del boots Windows.
|
| 3. Warm Booted MS-DOS mode ("Re-boot" to DOS)
|
| a. Accessed from a "Warm Boot" .pif that IS BOTH checked "MS-DOS mode"
| AND bolted "Specify a new MS-DOS configuration", in it's Properties,
| Program tab, Advanced button.
| b. Accessed from START button, if you've altered "exit to dos", as
| described.
| c. Does a warm boot, using Config.sys and Autoexec.bat as configured in
| the pif. (The system files are renamed *.wos & the pif files are
| extracted for the session.)
| d. Dosstart.bat is NOT run.
| e. "EXIT" restores the system Config.sys & Autoexec.bat & warm boots to
| Windows. (Ctrl-Alt-Del & "WIN" should NOT be used.)
|
| If you don't want to modify the "exit to dos" pif so that it does a warm
| boot, then create a pif this way:
|
| 1. "START, Find, Command.com". (Probably in C:\ & C:\Windows).
| 2. "R-Clk either, Send to, Desktop (create shortcut)". It will be named
| "MS-DOS Prompt".
| 3. R-Clk "MS-DOS Prompt" on the Desktop, & select Properties.
| 4. Click the Program tab & then the Advanced button.
| 5. Mark the MS-DOS Mode check box. Mark "Warn before entering..." as
| desired.
| 6. For a "Warm Boot to DOS" pif, mark the "Specify a New MS-DOS
| Configuration" button. If you do not do that, you will have a "Quit to
| DOS" pif.
| 7. OK you're way out.
|
| When you click that pif, you will either "warm boot" or "quit to DOS",
| depending on what you did in step 6. If it's a warm boot, then the
| Config.sys & Autoexec.bat inside the pif are the ones that will be in
| effect in your DOS session. Alter them inside the pif as desired, before
| clicking it.
|
| Cquirke's WARNING: Because of system/.pif file switching, give a Warm
| Boot .pif a chance to execute after clicking. If you click it a second
| time before getting to DOS, you may lose your system Config.sys &
| Autoexec.bat files.
|
| http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/doscompat.htm
| There are even more DOS mentioned there.
|
| "Select MS-DOS mode on this page", said Leboeuf.
| http://www.colba.net/~hlebo49/winmode.htm
|
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
| "LuckyStrike" om =
| wrote in message ...
| | Enough to fit that, IF it's smaller than 2 MB's. heh.
| |=20
| | And IIRC, I *used* to be able to exit MS-DOS (restart in......) by =
| typing
| | EXIT, then pressing Enter key, but no longer. Must either C-A-D out, =
| or else
| | use the "WIN /WX" command.
| | --=20
| |=20
| | LuckyStrike
| |
| | How to make a good newsgroup post:
| | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| | ------------------------------------------------------------
| | "PCR" wrote in message ...
| | I have a bigger master post about the various DOS & how to enter & =
| exit
| | them. How much space do you have left?
| |
| |
| | Thanks or Good Luck,
| | There may be humor in this post, and,
| | Naturally, you will not sue,
| | should things get worse after this,
| | PCR
| |
| | "LuckyStrike" om =
| wrote in
| | message ...
| | | Good info, ..... snipped
| | | LS
| | | -----------
| | |
| | | "PCR" wrote in message =
| ...
| | | C:\WIN
| | | You are already running Windows.
| | |
| | | _ Press ALT+ENTER to switch this MS-DOS prompt between
| | | windowed and full-screen display.
| | | _ Type Exit and press Enter to quit this MS-DOS prompt and
| | | return to Windows.
| | | _ Press ALT+TAB to switch to Windows or another application.
| | |
| | | Yea, that's what it says at a Windows DOS in a box prompt. But Glee
=
| is
| | | right. The first thing to try is EXIT, when stuck in DOS...
| | |
| | | First, try EXIT at the DOS Prompt.
| | | If that fails, try "WIN /WX".
| | | If that fails, finally...
| | |
| | | REN C:\Config.sys Config.bad
| | | REN C:\Autoexec.bat Autoexec.bad
| | | Ctrl-Alt-Del hopefully to Windows, & post the ".bad" files.
| | |
| | | http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;151717
| | | Can't EXIT MS-DOS Mode
| | | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D130448
| | | Can't QUIT MS-DOS Mode
| | | http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q138996
| | | Description of Restarting Computer in MS-DOS Mode
| | |
| || | PCR
| | |
| | | "LuckyStrike" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | | Wouldn't you just then get a message stating "You're already in
| | Windows"?
| | | | LuckyStrike
| | | | ------------------------------------------------------------
| | | | "jt3" wrote in message
| | | | ...
| | | | Perhaps not the best way if, say, the person hadn't booted into
| | | DOS--i.e.,
| | | | I
| | | | know your answer is correct, but if the OP didn't know this, =
| they
| | might
| | | | try
| | | | that when they'd opened a DOS box . . .
| | | | "Brian A." gonefish'n@afarawaylake wrote in message
| | | | ...
| | | | At the command prompt type: win and press Enter
| | | |
| | | | Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
| | | | Conflicts start where information lacks.
| | | | http://basconotw.mvps.org/
| | | |
| | | | How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | wrote in message
| | | | ups.com...
| | | | I accidentally chose to reboot my computer in MS-DOS. I have
=
| no
| | idea
| | | | how to get it to boot back up in Win98. I am not a computer
| | person
| | | | and
| | | | have no idea what to type in to get it back to Win98. =
| Please
| | help!
| | | | Thanks.
| | | |
|
| FOR THE MEMORY ISSUE:
|
| From: "Curt Christianson"
| References:
| Subject: Strange memory problem
| Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 23:05:03 -0500
| Message-ID:
| Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
| Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
| Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:808803
|
| Hi Andrea,
|
| This Courtesy of MVP's Bert Kinney, anf Ron Martell:
|
| AM. In reality it will only handle 1 GB of RAM. This will also depend on
| hardware installed, in particular the mother board and it's components.
| In some cases Win98/ME will function normally with 1.5 GB of RAM.
| See the MS KB articles below.
|
| If the system has 384MB's of RAM installed following line can be
| added to the [vcache] section of windows\system.ini file.
| MaxFileCache=275000
|
| If the system has 512MB's of RAM installed following line can be
| added to the [vcache] section of windows\system.ini file.
| MaxFileCache=358000
|
| If the system has 700MB's of RAM or more installed following line MUST
be
| added to the [vcache] section of windows\system.ini file but never
| more.
| MaxFileCache=512000
|
| If you go over 1GB of RAM and still receive errors add the following
line
| to the [386enh] section of the System.ini file: MaxPhysPage=40000
| This limits the amount of physical RAM that Windows can access
| to 1GB. If the errors go away with this setting remove the memory over
| 1GB as it will not be used with this setting.
|
| Windows 95 Can Access Up to Two GB of RAM:
| http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q181/5/94.asp
|
| Error Message: Insufficient Memory to Initialize Windows:
| http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;184447
|
| "Out of Memory" Error Messages with Large Amounts of RAM Installed:
| http://support.microsoft.com/support.../Q253/9/12.ASP
|
| Computer May Reboot Continuously with More Than 1.5 GB of RAM:
| http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;304943
|
| Now the question arises, is the increase of RAM going to make my system
| faster! Ron Martel [MS MVP] has a technique for determining this.
| http://onlinehelp.bc.ca/tips.htm#faster
|
| Regards,
| Bert Kinney [MS-MVP DTS]
| http://dts-l.org/
| ****************************************
| Free memory testers:
| http://www.memtest86.com/
| and
| DocMemory from:
| http://www.simmtester.com/
|
| Curt BD-MVBT
|
| http://dundats.mvps.org/
| http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
| http://www.aumha.org/
| "Andrea" wrote in message
| om...
| I've a client with windows 98 installed. All was working fine since
I've
| installed the antivirus and now a pc with 1GB of ram is unable to open
| the
| DOS shell since memory is finished.
|
| I really don't know ... Any idea? I don't think that the cause could
be
| the antivirus, because on another client with 256MB of ram, the pc
open
| and close the dos windows withouth any problems.
|
| Thanks for any reply
|
|
|
|
| AS FOR THE ONLINE INFO for MS-DOS 7.0 check the Microsoft Knowledge
base
| or
| TechNet, or if your ready for some "off the wall":
| http://www.mdgx.com/
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
| http://users.aol.com/axcel216/31.htm
| http://www.geocities.com/~budallen/dosecrete.html
| http://users.aol.com/axcel216/
| http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...nics/undoc.txt
| http://mirror.href.com/thestarman/index.html
|
| NETWORKING/NET CARDS
| http://www.practicallynetworked.com
| http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm
| http://www.pcbuyerbeware.co.uk/NetworkingProblems.htm
| http://www.homenethelp.com/web/howto/HomeNet-start.asp
|
|
| IN ANSWER to your general question regarding whether you can remove the
| items in config.sys and autoexec.bat related to your
| country/keyboard/video:
| depends on what your doing... but if it's pure dos stuff, then exit to
dos
| after you create your new exit to DOS pif with those items in the
advanced
| program setup, and remove them all. Rem out each one, one at a time
first
| for testing.
| If necessary afterwards, go into START/Settings/Control Panel and setup
| Windows for your keyboard, display, country specific items.
|
| Windows does not generally need the autoexec or config unless one of
your
| devices (such as a sound card) has a DOS compatibility aspect, or a
| program
| needs (or thinks it needs) to be included in the PATH statement, or some
| indication of it's existence or it's program (autoexec.bat inclusions -
| such
| as anti-virus programs).
|
| On this fully configured (couple hundred programs) and updated 98SE
test
| computer, my config.sys has nothing in it. Whereas my autoexec.bat has:
|
| C:\PROGRA~1\GRISOFT\AVGFRE~1\BOOTUP.EXE
| @echo off
| SET BLASTER=A220 I2 D1 T4
| LH C:\WINDOWS\ASP4DOS.COM
| set temp=c:\temp
| set tmp=c:\temp
| set pgppath=c:\comp\priv
| SET QTJava=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\QTJava.zip
| SET CLASSPATH=%QTJava%;
| SET TZ=EST5EDT
| SET MIDI=SYNTH:1 MAP:E
| Path=C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;c:\comp;C:\PROG RA~1\ULTRAEDT;
|
|
| "Alan" wrote in message
| ...
| |
| | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| | ...
| | Ah, ,, with those types of config.sys and autoexec.bat for
Win98(SE),
| your
| | running in compatibility mode/real mode. Memory is not able to be
| | addressed
| | properly; devices will not be placed properly in the memory
| environment;
| | etc. , e.g. Windows can't "do it's thing" in real mode, or a mixed
| | real/virtual environment, it is a virtual mode environment.
| |
| | Is there anything online that I can browse that explains the above in
| more
| | detail?
| |
| | Memory addressing will be your issues concerning your netcard.. and
| the
| | additional ram (last 256) which now needs resource ranges of it's
own.
| | {For
| | a general idea look at the old DOS info regarding emm386 and himem,
| and
| | their memory limitations, resource usage, etc.. Then question why
your
| | trying to use them.}
| |
| | The netcard is onboard with the MOBO. Any clue where to obtain DOS 7
| info?
| |
| | Remove any unnecessary, and preferably all device drivers from
| | config.sys,
| | except, perhaps, the ones for your specific county/keyboard/video
| | arrangements, and himem.sys if needed for extended memory with
LEGACY
| DOS
| | programs (generally games). Though as your using
| country/keyboard/video
| | specific settings using emm386.exe would appear advisable.
| | You could try to loadhigh or devicehigh those drivers you think you
| | need..
| |
| | Am I correct in assuming, that if I have no legacy DOS requirement I
can
| | remove certain aspects of the autoexec.bat and config.sys? I assume I
| need
| | the country/keyboard/video arrangements in autoexec and config sys or
is
| it
| | better to let windows do its own thing. Again is there anything on
line
| that
| | I can read to explain what I actually should have in those files?
| |
| | To TEST this, rem out the "device=c:\rmcd\(driver)" lines. If no
| problems
| | develop, then remove them permanently by creating a copy without
them,
| and
| | renaming the original to "config.org" or something that you will
| remember
| | as
| | being the original (just in case). Then devicehigh the config.sys
| drivers
| | you need, and loadhigh (LH) the autoexec.
| |
| | Can you explain devicehigh loadhigh. The rmcd drivers are installed as
| per
| | MS KB article 19303 as I had problems trying to use the CD-ROM in
| command
| | prompt mode. How should they be installed then?
| |
| | As for the emm386.exe excludes: yes you can manually exclude the
net
| card
| | addresses as well as video, but it is generally necessary ONLY when
| using
| | real mode drivers. Windows will exclude the addresses if it is
| necessary
| | (generally found in the device inf).
| | Also, your files and buffers (and perhaps stacks) statements would
be
| | considered too small for most modern DOS program usage, and
conflicts
| with
| | Windows 98 defaults.
| |
| | So the question is WHY you have all these things in your autoexec
and
| | config in the first place. Do you use DOS mode for something or
legacy
| | devices which require them?
| | BTW: I haven't seen an autoexec and config like you have SINCE DOS
| days.
| | Installing Win95 would have remmed out most of what you have. And
| since
| | you
| | asked: info for DOS 6.2(2) is not exactly accurate for 7.0.
| |
| | The PC came pre loaded with 98, which the supplier tech reloaded with
| 98SE
| | when the hard drive started to fail and was replaced. I am not
knowingly
| | using DOS mode. ( The creative card makes reference to it in the
Device
| | Manager, but that is disabled). I referred to DOS 6.2.2 as that is the
| | latest document (user guide) that I have. Again knowledge is weak so I
| will
| | be guided.
| |
| | FYI: Safe mode does not start normal drivers, just base defaults,
| hence
| | you
| | will not find compatibility/real mode drivers causing conflicts when
| in
| | safe
| | mode. You could try to "step through" a normal startup, and not
| loading
| | config.sys and autoexec.bat to see the effect, Igor can tell you how
| to
| do
| | that.
| | As for the memory in general, several previous discussions have
| addressed
| | the 1 gig problem in 98.. 768 is the sweet spot, 1 gig is iffy at
| best.
| |
| | Thanks for the information.
| | Alan--
| | MEB
| | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/
| |
| |
| | "Alan" wrote in message
| | ...
| | |
| | | "éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko)" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | "Alan" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | Can you post or attach memory resourses list? I suppose
System
| | | information
| | | has it or change a view in a device manager for memory
| resources.
| | | This is what I have just found in the Device Manager for the
| Rhine
| | | adapter:-
| | | Interrupt Request 03
| | | Memory Range E9000000 - E90000FF
| | | Input/Output Range A800 - A8FF
| | | Memory Range 000D0000 - 000D17FF
| | | This is when it is working OK. I don't have the information
for
| when
| | it
| | | appears to be faulty.
| | |
| | | do you have emm386 or any other memory manager in config.sys?
Try
| to
| | | remove
| | | it if yes.
| | |
| | | --
| | | éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko) MS MVP Windows - Shell/User
| | |
| | |
| | | A couple of points. I have copied the Autoexec.bat and Config.sys
| files
| | | below. I have been browsing the MS Knowledge base and now have
some
| | | questions. The path= command, should I have something more
specific
| | along
| | | the lines of pointing to the system directory i.e windows/system?
| (Yes,
| | I
| | am
| | | running the Resource Kit). Also buried deep down in a MS Dos 6.2
| User
| | Guide
| | | book, it says that when you use EMM386.exe and you have a Network
| | Adapter
| | | installed that uses RAM, you should exclude the memory addresses
| that
| | the
| | | network adapter uses, so that Windows won't use the same area of
| memory.
| | Is
| | | this relevant for Windows 98SE (DOS7) or not and is this what you
| are
| | | implying by asking me to remove the EMM386 memory manger in the
| | config.sys.
| | | Finally, with the extra RAM installed and starting in Safe Mode,
the
| | problem
| | | doesn't exist, so yes it must definitely be a Windows problem
| somewhere.
| | | Alan
| | |
| | | SET CTSYN=C:\WINDOWS
| | | @PATH C:\PROGRA~1\WIN98RK;%PATH%
| | | mode con codepage prepare=((850) c:\windows\COMMAND\ega.cpi)
| | | mode con codepage select=850
| | | keyb uk,,c:\windows\COMMAND\keyboard.sys
| | | Set tvdumpflags=8
| | |
| | | DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
| | | DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE
| | | device=c:\windows\COMMAND\display.sys con=(ega,,1)
| | | Country=044,850,c:\windows\COMMAND\country.sys
| | | device=c:\rmcd\oakcdrom.sys /D:mscd001
| | | device=c:\rmcd\btdosm.sys
| | | device=c:\rmcd\flashpt.sys
| | | device=c:\rmcd\btcdrom.sys /D:mscd001
| | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi2dos.sys
| | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi8dos.sys
| | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi4dos.sys
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