Brian, Thanks so much for posting back... this issue has troubled me!! Like
I mentioned, I did a complete re-install of Windows sometime back, initially
after the TS's were disabled by Microsoft and I applied the fix. I remember,
I looked and tried W-Help to see if they were available to me, curiosity!!
I noticed they were available, did work!! That's why, I didn't want to
reinstall them via the Tshoot.inf after my new current installation. I
thought, I'm reinstalling them, I'm defeating the purpose of the kill bit.
Pls. see *'s
---- Original Message -----
From: Brian A.
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 7:20 AM
Subject: New Install of Windows & W-TShooters question
This is not doubting you but I have reason to believe you do not have the
2nd update mentioned installed. The "Windows help wizards" should not work
thru any of Windows help.
* OK, you have confirmed, after you reinstall Tshoot.inf.... AND, following
you open W-Help, you have no still have no access to the TS's except first
page, am I correct?
GG's workaround app should be the only way unless you have removed the kill
bit from the registry yourself. If you have the 2nd update installed you
will have the key mentioned below with the kill bit (name/data "value")
present in the registry.
When GG's app is installed it is what is to be used for the tshoot wizards,
not Windows Help. I thought he explained it in his text file included
although now that I check he only mentions clicking the icon to run the
wizards which may confuse some. Windows help should not be used, GG's app is
what should be used to run the wizards when installed.
* I have George's fix, placed it in Start menu and it does work... but the
concept didn't make sense to be because they were still available in
W-Help.
* OK, Brian, I just went to W-Update and I scanned my puter... W-Update,
says *there is no new updates for me to get*!!
* There are no updates available at this time ** My HX at W-Update
There are no updates available for your computer. Please check back later.
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Media Library Access (819639) Web site
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on February 01 2002. Web site
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Virtual Machine (Microsoft VM) Web site
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Read more... Web site
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Windows Web site
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(KB840315) Web site
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Ok now, after a good nights slumber I have:
Booted another 98SE machine which is fully updated and did not have GG's
TShoot installed.
Tried the Windows tshoot wizards which failed.
Checked the registry for the ActiveX component kill bit which was present
at:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Components\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}
Name: Compatibility Flags
Data: 0x00000400 (1024)
* Oh,
My path stops at Internet Explorer, don't have ActiveX Components
key/folder. Your giving me the kill bit in above key correct, it's how mine
should look??
* Mine looks like this....
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Compatibility...
**NO ActiveX Components key
* I should copy your key for the kill bit and put back into my registry.
Brian I never did anything to the key, didn't delete it.
* TShoot.inf - now that's it's installed, I did it last pm, Brian I NEED to
uninstall the TShoot.inf or fix the kill bit, help me more pls.!!
* TShoot.inf File
[version]
signature="$CHICAGO$"
SetupClass=BASE
LayoutFile=layout.inf, layout1.inf, layout2.inf
[BaseWinOptions]
TShoot.base
[DefaultInstall]
CopyFiles=TShoot.Main.CF, TShoot.INF
AddReg=TShoot.Add.Reg
DelReg=TShoot.Del.Reg
[TShoot.base]
CopyFiles=TShoot.Main.CF, TShoot.INF
AddReg=TShoot.Add.Reg
[Destinationdirs]
TShoot.Main.CF =18 ;Windows\Help Dir
TShoot.INF =17 ;Windows\INF Dir
[TShoot.INF]
tshoot.inf
[TShoot.Del.Reg]
HKLM,"Software\TShoot"
[TShoot.Add.Reg]
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%","FullPa thToResource",0x00020000,"
%18%"
; tshoot.cab has .Script files, tshoot.css style sheet, the hidden
; control page tsctl.htm, and tshoot.ocx
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\SupportF ileList\tshoot_res.cab","F
Extension",,".cab"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\SupportF ileList\tshoot_res.cab","F
Name",,"tshoot_res"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\SupportF ileList\tshoot_res.cab","V
ersion",,"1"
; The trouble shooter list files are named xxx.cab. They have the result
page,
; the frame page, the hti file and the dsz file.
;
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\RAS","FExtensio
n",,".cab"
;
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\RAS","FName",,"
RAS"
;
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\RAS","Version",
,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98startup","FE
xtension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98startup","FN
ame",,"w98startup"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98startup","Pa
th",,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98startup","Ve
rsion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98sound","FExt
ension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98sound","FNam
e",,"w98sound"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98sound","Path
",,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98sound","Vers
ion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98print","FExt
ension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98print","FNam
e",,"w98print"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98print","Path
",,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98print","Vers
ion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98pcmcia","FEx
tension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98pcmcia","FNa
me",,"w98pcmcia"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98pcmcia","Pat
h",,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98pcmcia","Ver
sion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98msn","FExten
sion",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98msn","FName"
,,"w98msn"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98msn","Path",
,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98msn","Versio
n",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98msdos","FExt
ension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98msdos","FNam
e",,"w98msdos"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98msdos","Path
",,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98msdos","Vers
ion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98modem","FExt
ension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98modem","FNam
e",,"w98modem"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98modem","Path
",,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98modem","Vers
ion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98memory","FEx
tension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98memory","FNa
me",,"w98memory"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98memory","Pat
h",,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98memory","Ver
sion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98lan","FExten
sion",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98lan","FName"
,,"w98lan"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98lan","Path",
,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98lan","Versio
n",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98hw","FExtens
ion",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98hw","FName",
,"w98hw"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98hw","Path",,
"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98hw","Version
",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98drivespace",
"FExtension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98drivespace",
"FName",,"w98drivespace"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98drivespace",
"Path",,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98drivespace",
"Version",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98display","FE
xtension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98display","FN
ame",,"w98display"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98display","Pa
th",,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98display","Ve
rsion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98directx","FE
xtension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98directx","FN
ame",,"w98directx"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98directx","Pa
th",,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98directx","Ve
rsion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98ics","FExten
sion",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98ics","FName"
,,"w98ics"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98ics","Path",
,"%18%\tshoot98.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\w98ics","Versio
n",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMvideo","FExte
nsion",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMvideo","FName
",,"NMvideo"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMvideo","Path"
,,"%18%\nm3bnts.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMvideo","Versi
on",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMstartup","FEx
tension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMstartup","FNa
me",,"NMstartup"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMstartup","Pat
h",,"%18%\nm3bnts.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMstartup","Ver
sion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMconnect","FEx
tension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMconnect","FNa
me",,"NMconnect"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMconnect","Pat
h",,"%18%\nm3bnts.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMconnect","Ver
sion",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMaudio","FExte
nsion",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMaudio","FName
",,"NMaudio"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMaudio","Path"
,,"%18%\nm3bnts.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMaudio","Versi
on",,"1"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMappshare","FE
xtension",,".dsz"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMappshare","FN
ame",,"NMappshare"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMappshare","Pa
th",,"%18%\nm3bnts.chm"
HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\%TShoot_DirName%\Troubles hooterList\NMappshare","Ve
rsion",,"1"
HKLM,Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run once,"Reg",,"%11%\regsvr32
/s %18%\TShoot.ocx"
[TShoot.Main.CF]
TSHOOT.ocx
tshoot98.chm
nm3bnts.chm
bnts.dll
[Strings]
TShoot_Desc = "Microsoft Local Troubleshooter"
TShoot_DirName = "TShoot"
Thank you, Star
Tried to run the Windows help tshoot wizards which failed.
Removed kill bit entry in registry and regain tshoot wizards, merged entry
back into registry and tshoot wizards fail.
Install GG's tshoot.exe workaround.
Run GG's app and Windows wizards fail.
Run Windows help and wizards fail.
Right click tshoot.inf and install, both GG's app and Windows wizards fail.
Reboot.
GG's app now works, wizards successful and Windows help wizards fail.
With GG's app running, check registry entry for kill bit which is absent.
Shutdown GG's app, check registry and kill bit entry is present.
All works as should.
Reboot 98SE machine mentioned in last post.
Still no Wizards with either GG's app or Windows help.
Run tshoot.inf install, check wizards which fail.
Reboot, all is working as should. GG's app controls the registry entry to
remove the kill bit when run and replace when closed.
Running " Windows help wizards" (not GG's) still fail.
I never thought a reboot was required and don't believe I had to do it on
the first 98SE when I originally installed GG's app, yet it appears this is
the case now. Stymies me a little but that's how it all went down. It now
makes me wonder if one has to go thru the re-install of tshoot.inf, then
install GG's app and reboot at some point to gain functionality due to a
later update? For now I've done what I'm going too as the wizards/GG's app
work (or don't) as they should/shouldn't.
BTW, both 98SE machines were updated using the Security update CD and
finished at the MS Update site. Can't see why but perhaps this method has
something to do with it. I do have one more 98SE machine available to test
that does not have GG's app and is fully updated ONLY from the MS Update
site.
Perhaps Glen has some insight on this.
--
Brian A.
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"Brian A." GoneFishn@aFarAwayLake wrote in message
...
This is not doubting you but I have reason to believe you do not have the
2nd update mentioned installed. The "Windows help wizards" should not work
thru any of Windows help. GG's workaround app should be the only way unless
you have removed the kill bit from the registry yourself. If you have the
2nd update installed you will have the key mentioned below with the kill bit
(name/data "value") present in the registry.
When GG's app is installed it is what is to be used for the tshoot wizards,
not Windows Help. I thought he explained it in his text file included
although now that I check he only mentions clicking the icon to run the
wizards which may confuse some. Windows help should not be used, GG's app is
what should be used to run the wizards when installed.
Ok now, after a good nights slumber I have:
Booted another 98SE machine which is fully updated and did not have GG's
TShoot installed.
Tried the Windows tshoot wizards which failed.
Checked the registry for the ActiveX component kill bit which was present
at:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Components\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}
Name: Compatibility Flags
Data: 0x00000400 (1024)
Tried to run the Windows help tshoot wizards which failed.
Removed kill bit entry in registry and regain tshoot wizards, merged entry
back into registry and tshoot wizards fail.
Install GG's tshoot.exe workaround.
Run GG's app and Windows wizards fail.
Run Windows help and wizards fail.
Right click tshoot.inf and install, both GG's app and Windows wizards fail.
Reboot.
GG's app now works, wizards successful and Windows help wizards fail.
With GG's app running, check registry entry for kill bit which is absent.
Shutdown GG's app, check registry and kill bit entry is present.
All works as should.
Reboot 98SE machine mentioned in last post.
Still no Wizards with either GG's app or Windows help.
Run tshoot.inf install, check wizards which fail.
Reboot, all is working as should. GG's app controls the registry entry to
remove the kill bit when run and replace when closed.
Running " Windows help wizards" (not GG's) still fail.
I never thought a reboot was required and don't believe I had to do it on
the first 98SE when I originally installed GG's app, yet it appears this is
the case now. Stymies me a little but that's how it all went down. It now
makes me wonder if one has to go thru the re-install of tshoot.inf, then
install GG's app and reboot at some point to gain functionality due to a
later update? For now I've done what I'm going too as the wizards/GG's app
work (or don't) as they should/shouldn't.
BTW, both 98SE machines were updated using the Security update CD and
finished at the MS Update site. Can't see why but perhaps this method has
something to do with it. I do have one more 98SE machine available to test
that does not have GG's app and is fully updated ONLY from the MS Update
site.
Perhaps Glen has some insight on this.
--
Brian A.
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm