Thanks again Glee,
Here's a cut and paste of the tests.
ONTRACK Data Advisor
V5.00 ENGLISH
Report file created 2/27/2006 @ 10:08 PM
The following information has been generated by the ONTRACKŪ Data
Advisor(TM). Use this information to help you recognize and resolve
potential data access problems in a timely manner.
System Information:
BIOS Date 08/24/99
Conventional Memory size 639 K
Extended Memory size 161724 K
IO Channel type PCI
Drive Information:
DRIVE SIZE MODEL
----- --------- ---------------------
1 6.01 GB TOSHIBA MK6015MAP
Serial Number = 14AQ5921
Int13 Num = 80, PHYS CHS = 12416x15x63.
ParmTable CHS, Rsvd = 731x255x63
PARTITION CYLINDER SIZE
---------- ------------ ----
# Type Start End MB
PRIMARY
1 Unknown 0 260 2146
EXTENDED
2 Unknown 261 521 2146
3 FAT16 522 729 1710
Diagnostic Results:
Drive 1 (TOSHIBA MK6015MAP)
SMART Status Check Result: Passed
90-Second Test Result: Passed
File Structure Test Result: Failed
Partition 1 (No Label) Result: Invalid BPB
Partition 2 (No Label) Result: Invalid BPB
Partition 3 (HOMER) Result: No Errors
376 KBytes in 4 files
0 directories were found
0 KBytes in 0 deleted files
0 deleted directories were found
Complete Surface Scan Result: Not Selected
S.M.A.R.T., (S)elf (M)onitoring (A)nalysis and (R)eporting
(T)echnology, a built-in hard disk drive failure prediction method
reports an 'Alert' if a problem has occurred. It reports 'Passed' if
no problems are found and 'Unsupported' if a hard disk drive does not
support S.M.A.R.T.
******************************************
Diagnostic Summary:
System Memory Test Result: Passed
Drive 1 (TOSHIBA MK6015MAP)
SMART Status Check Result: Passed
90-Second Test Result: Passed
File Structure Test Result: Failed
Complete Surface Scan Result: Not Selected
Recommendation:
If you are not experiencing data loss and Data Advisor reports File
System Structure errors, they may be caused by a lock-up or failure to
shutdown Windows correctly. Many times, these errors may be repaired
through normal system maintenance. If you are experiencing a hardware
error, you should isolate the cause and replace the failing component.
If you are unsure how to proceed with repairs, contact a computer
professional. After completing any maintenance tasks, run Data Advisor
again to verify that all errors have been repaired. If errors continue
to occur, the system may not be stable. Again, contact a computer
professional.
If you have experienced a data loss, Ontrack EasyRecovery software or
Remote Data Recovery services are your best option to recover your
data. Please select the Crisis Center button for further information on
our EasyRecovery software and Remote Data Recovery service.
Copyright (c) 2001 ONTRACK Data International, Inc.
================================================== ======
ONTRACK Data Advisor
V5.00 ENGLISH
Report file created 2/27/2006 @ 10:12 PM
The following information has been generated by the ONTRACKŪ Data
Advisor(TM). Use this information to help you recognize and resolve
potential data access problems in a timely manner.
System Information:
BIOS Date 08/24/99
Conventional Memory size 639 K
Extended Memory size 161728 K
IO Channel type PCI
Drive Information:
DRIVE SIZE MODEL
----- --------- ---------------------
1 6.01 GB TOSHIBA MK6015MAP
Serial Number = 14AQ5921
Int13 Num = 80, PHYS CHS = 12416x15x63.
ParmTable CHS, Rsvd = 731x255x63
PARTITION CYLINDER SIZE
---------- ------------ ----
# Type Start End MB
PRIMARY
1 Unknown 0 260 2146
EXTENDED
2 Unknown 261 521 2146
3 FAT16 522 729 1710
Diagnostic Results:
Drive 1 (TOSHIBA MK6015MAP)
SMART Status Check Result: Passed
90-Second Test Result: Passed
File Structure Test Result: Failed
Partition 1 (No Label) Result: Invalid BPB
Partition 2 (No Label) Result: Invalid BPB
Partition 3 (HOMER) Result: No Errors
376 KBytes in 4 files
0 directories were found
0 KBytes in 0 deleted files
0 deleted directories were found
Complete Surface Scan Result: Passed with Minor Error(s)
Record 666870, I/O Error
S.M.A.R.T., (S)elf (M)onitoring (A)nalysis and (R)eporting
(T)echnology, a built-in hard disk drive failure prediction method
reports an 'Alert' if a problem has occurred. It reports 'Passed' if
no problems are found and 'Unsupported' if a hard disk drive does not
support S.M.A.R.T.
******************************************
Diagnostic Summary:
System Memory Test Result: Passed
Drive 1 (TOSHIBA MK6015MAP)
SMART Status Check Result: Passed
90-Second Test Result: Passed
File Structure Test Result: Failed
Complete Surface Scan Result: Passed with Minor Error(s)
Recommendation:
If you are not experiencing data loss and Data Advisor reports File
System Structure errors, they may be caused by a lock-up or failure to
shutdown Windows correctly. Many times, these errors may be repaired
through normal system maintenance. If you are experiencing a hardware
error, you should isolate the cause and replace the failing component.
If you are unsure how to proceed with repairs, contact a computer
professional. After completing any maintenance tasks, run Data Advisor
again to verify that all errors have been repaired. If errors continue
to occur, the system may not be stable. Again, contact a computer
professional.
If you have experienced a data loss, Ontrack EasyRecovery software or
Remote Data Recovery services are your best option to recover your
data. Please select the Crisis Center button for further information on
our EasyRecovery software and Remote Data Recovery service.
Copyright (c) 2001 ONTRACK Data International, Inc.
================================================== ======
ONTRACK Data Advisor
V5.00 ENGLISH
Report file created 2/27/2006 @ 10:45 PM
The following information has been generated by the ONTRACKŪ Data
Advisor(TM). Use this information to help you recognize and resolve
potential data access problems in a timely manner.
System Information:
BIOS Date 08/24/99
Conventional Memory size 639 K
Extended Memory size 161728 K
IO Channel type PCI
Drive Information:
DRIVE SIZE MODEL
----- --------- ---------------------
1 6.01 GB TOSHIBA MK6015MAP
Serial Number = 14AQ5921
Int13 Num = 80, PHYS CHS = 12416x15x63.
ParmTable CHS, Rsvd = 731x255x63
PARTITION CYLINDER SIZE
---------- ------------ ----
# Type Start End MB
PRIMARY
1 Unknown 0 260 2146
EXTENDED
2 Unknown 261 521 2146
3 FAT16 522 729 1710
Diagnostic Results:
Drive 1 (TOSHIBA MK6015MAP)
SMART Status Check Result: Passed
90-Second Test Result: Passed
File Structure Test Result: Failed
Partition 1 (No Label) Result: Invalid BPB
Partition 2 (No Label) Result: Invalid BPB
Partition 3 (HOMER) Result: No Errors
376 KBytes in 4 files
0 directories were found
0 KBytes in 0 deleted files
0 deleted directories were found
Complete Surface Scan Result: Passed with Minor Error(s)
Record 666870, I/O Error
S.M.A.R.T., (S)elf (M)onitoring (A)nalysis and (R)eporting
(T)echnology, a built-in hard disk drive failure prediction method
reports an 'Alert' if a problem has occurred. It reports 'Passed' if
no problems are found and 'Unsupported' if a hard disk drive does not
support S.M.A.R.T.
******************************************
Diagnostic Summary:
System Memory Test Result: Passed
Drive 1 (TOSHIBA MK6015MAP)
SMART Status Check Result: Passed
90-Second Test Result: Passed
File Structure Test Result: Failed
Complete Surface Scan Result: Passed with Minor Error(s)
Recommendation:
If you are not experiencing data loss and Data Advisor reports File
System Structure errors, they may be caused by a lock-up or failure to
shutdown Windows correctly. Many times, these errors may be repaired
through normal system maintenance. If you are experiencing a hardware
error, you should isolate the cause and replace the failing component.
If you are unsure how to proceed with repairs, contact a computer
professional. After completing any maintenance tasks, run Data Advisor
again to verify that all errors have been repaired. If errors continue
to occur, the system may not be stable. Again, contact a computer
professional.
If you have experienced a data loss, Ontrack EasyRecovery software or
Remote Data Recovery services are your best option to recover your
data. Please select the Crisis Center button for further information on
our EasyRecovery software and Remote Data Recovery service.
Copyright (c) 2001 ONTRACK Data International, Inc.
I have to admit, I was impressed with the amount of detail the software
provided. Now if I can get an understanding of what 50% of it means.
And an action plan to execute a fix.
Thanks again!
PS,
Should I be editing the replies back to the list. I noticed it's
getting real long?
Thanks
glee wrote:
replies inline.....
"bry" wrote in message
oups.com...
snip
I swapped the drive out to a Tosh 2105.
Then I ran the Ontrack software via floppy A.
The drive past with a few errors.
The Ontrack pie chart showed all red.
What were the errors, exactly? A file should have been written to the diskette when
done....DA.LOG or DA.TXT....with the detailed results in report form. Could you
copy/paste that report in a reply here?
The pie chart showing all red is "unknown" file system. Pink is NTFS, blue is
FAT32, green is FAT, as I recall. If the drive was showing red, then thefile
system is not being recognised at all by Ontrack. We really need to see the report
it made.
Like I said above, it passed all the tests with a few errors.
....and the errors are.............?
With this drive I've tried:
Setting up new partitions.
Formating one of the smaller partitions to insert an operating sys.
Using an AV (F-Prot Dos) to check the drive.
The AV will only check the newly formated partition (E).
All the other old partitions (C and D) come back with a drive error
message.
...and the exact error message in its entirety is......?
How or if, I insert an Operating system into drive E?
Will that help me access any leftover masked data on the disk?
Let's see the report first. As I said earlier, if the drive can be read,I would
mount it to a desktop with an adapter, to copy files.
I may be able to get another 2545, then maybe I can swap out parts.
Hopefully I can and see what the expense of replacing the affected part
will cost.
Thanks,
BTW, have you had any experience with Ontrack recovery software?
Do you know the proceedure or command to boot an operating from the
recovery CD via floppy A, to partition E?
I've never used their recovery software. Other software has been recommended to me,
but let's see what is going on with the file system first.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
glee wrote:
It could be the hard drive, the power supply, the motherboard, the
processor.......a
laptop is a lot harder to diagnose since you can't readily swap out parts to
test,
and even simple things like power supply testers don't hook up to laptop PSU's.
Were it mine, I would remove the hard drive and connect it with a proper 2.5" to
3.5" adapter, to a desktop computer as a slave, and see if it is OK. If so, I
would
suspect power supply, processor or mobo.
Toshiba Satellite 2545CDS parts:
http://www.impactcomputers.com/toshi...cds-parts.html
This is not a recommendation for the company....I know nothing about it.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
"bry" wrote in message
oups.com...
Glee,
Sorry for the late reply!
I could only access the Bios once.
I wanted to make sure the Bios was set to boot to the floppy.
That's the floppy with the software you wanted me to test the drive
with.
Well the Bios came up and the system hung up.
It's been 2 days and it hasn't started back up since.
I never got a chance to run the software.
It just keeps lighting up the lights (plugged in and computer on).
The hard drive gives one Whurr and nothing else happens.
It won't reset (when reset is pressed) or power down (when shut offis
pressed).
So I have to un-plug it and try again.
I will keep trying daily, with the software ready to go in floppy A
drive.
Why would my laptop act this way?
Thanks,
waiting for a boot up
glee wrote:
What were the results of the hard drive diagnostic I said to run.....I don't
see
where you say in your reply?
What do you mean by:
So I tested the second drive in another borrrowed Tosh Sat 2105CDS.
Same result. ?
How far along in the boot process does the computer get, when it fails to
load?
Does it just make a noise and shut down, or does it go through the boot
screens,
or
what?
What about when you try starting in Safe Mode?
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
"bry" wrote in message
ups.com...
Glee,
Thanks for the reply.
Yes it has a floopy drive.
I initially had a virus, which was on a HD that was not backed up
recently. So I got another HD and installed it.
With either drive the machine still acts the same.
So I tested the second drive in another borrrowed Tosh Sat 2105CDS.
Same result.
I like your diagnosis, what would be my next step in finding the
problem?
Thanks again.
glee wrote:
I would certainly NOT consider the BIOS to be the problem at this point
in
your
diagnosis, although it may be some other hardware fault (harddrive,
motherboard,
etc). The first thing I would do is test the hard drive froma floppy
boot......does the machine have a floppy drive?
Test the drive by running the diagnostics from the hard drive
manufacturer's
web
site.
If you don't know what brand the drive is, you can download the
limited-use
free
edition of OnTrack Data Advisor from this location:
http://www.ontrack.com/freesoftware/#dataadvisor
When you click the download link on that page for Data Advisor 5.0 Free
edition,
you
will be taken to a page to register with the OnTrack site, then you will
be
able
to
download the diskette creator file.
The downloads are diskette creators. They are to be run once from a
working
Windows
system and will guide you through the process of extracting the Data
Advisor
onto a
3.5" floppy disk.
Download and Use Instructions:
http://www.ontrack.com/dataadvisor/downloadinfo.asp
As far as I know, Maxtor's diagnostics will also work with any brand of
drive,
and
the older versions of Seagate Seatools also, but I am not sure about the
new
version.
Hard Drive Diagnostic Programs by Vendor:
OnTrack Data Advisor:
http://www.ontrack.com/freesoftware/#dataadvisor
IBM/Hitachi Drive Fitness Test:
http://www.hgst.com/hdd/support/download.htm
Western Digital Data Lifeguard Tools:
http://support.wdc.com/download/
Quantum/Maxtor PowerMax:
http://www.maxtor.com/en/support/downloads/powermax.htm
Seagate SeaTools:
http://www.seagate.com/support/seatools/index.html
Download:
http://www.seagate.com/support/seatools/B7a.html
http://www.seagate.com/support/seato...toold_reg.html
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
"bry" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi,
I have a Tosh satellite 2545 CDS laptop, running win98 FE.
Now when I try and boot it up, sometimes it will and othersit won't.
The few times it does boot up, it will eventually hang up.
This leaves me with an un-responsive machine.
No power button shut off capability, only a reset button shutdown
without a restart too.
Or just an un-plug her without the battery attached option.
I've be told it's a bios problem, since the power light does comes on.
The HD gives a whurr sound once and then comes the maybe she starts
and
maybe she doesn't part.
I tried to flash the bios with upgrades, but for a tosh 2545 cds
running win 98 there are very few updates. How can I find out
definently that it is the bios. It's my favorite Laptop andif a not
so
pricey DIY job to replace it or the motherboard is in order.. I'm
willing to give it a shot.
I know I should move into the 2k gerenration, but old reliable should
be given a chance to run free once more.
Thanks