OK Jack, no problem. My response probably read as less tongue-in-cheek than
was meant anyway and - besides trying to keep the emoticons and related
abbreviations to a minimum generally - I'm probably guilty of typing under
the influence of too much coffee! So I'm sorry for that.

I'm surprised you don't have more trouble with NAV 2004. I presume you
disable much from starting. My father's machine *starts* with less than 50%
resources (but he won't listen to me and disable anything!).

Anyway, I'll accept your apology if you'll accept mine.


Shane


"Jack E Martinelli" wrote in message
...
" You think I don't know how to run Zone Alarm, Jack?"

I have obviously been unclear. You should know that I know you are a very
knowledgeable user, unlikely to make any typical newbie user error.
I never intended to imply that you did. Others, reading here, may have
(and
often do).

I also run NAV, the 2004 Pro version, here just as a test of the often
reported errors. I do not have them either, excepting the well-recognized
problem if one reverts using SR to an earlier date prior to the last
signature update. I think everyone experiences that since it is a failing
of NAV, IMO. I would rather that my AV tool not write to the registry.

Sorry for not realizing how you might misunderstand my comments, and
apologize for them.
I don't have any facial expressions or tone of voice here to help convey
my
meaning,
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"Shane" wrote in message
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I realize others may have a quite different experience. User "error"
is
often the fundamental answer to such problems.

You think I don't know how to run Zone Alarm, Jack? I didn't have
problems
with NAV 2000/2001. I accept, however, that on many machines those builds
of
Symantec product did cause problems. I think you could call it user error
when comes to problems using Live Update, as IMO leaving it to *someone
else* to update one's AV is in itself a *user error* (although only akin
to
feeling safe on the streets because one believes a policeman will always
show up when required, ie one that the establishment encourages), but the
mess left when attempting a standard uninstallation of the program, for
instance, is poor programming pure and simple.

A personal firewall, either software or hardware, is essential today,
like
an AV tool. IMO, not to use one is to be an irresponsible member of
the
internet community.

Yes Jack. I use Kerio. It requires more knowledge of firewalls than
ZoneAlarm, although it can (these days) be run in newb mode.


Shane