Twins2 wrote :-
Then I boot up again under 'safe mode' , ya, the mouse works but there is
no
mouse icon.
What 'mouse icon'?
Do you mean the one on the System Tray (near the clock at the bottom of the
screen)?
If so, it SHOULD NOT BE THERE in Safe Mode - And, more importantly, if it
there in Normal Mode, (particularly as there is no mouse cursor) you've
(somehow) still got a (corrupted?) mouse driver installed.
OK - Let's try again!
Using the serial mouse (with L/R click only), boot into Safe Mode.
First confirm that you haven't got any mouse related software utilities
installed - Look in Control Panel \ Add/Remove Programs. If you have, remove
them (it).
Then (Still in SAFE MODE) navigate to DevMan and locate any/all
mouse/pointing devices.
Right-click on each in turn and select the "Remove" option. (You do not need
to physically disconnect the mouse!). BUT you MUST "Remove" each and every
instance of a mouse.
N.B. if you lose control of your mouse at this point, use Rick T's
suggestion :-
"You should have a mouse by this point but just in case...
Ctrl-Alt-Esc opens the StartMenu; arrow and tab keys should enable you
to Navigate through ControlPanel etc. without leaving the comfort of
your keyboard"
Thanks Rick ;-)
BTW -
There is a question mark under the tree is PCI multimedia .../PCI network
controller/Real magic pro. (this is under the 'safe mode'..)
You are probably best leaving this alone, if you intend putting the disk
back in the other PC. It's just another ingredient in the registry "soup"
caused by swapping the disk between PC's, as it's likely to be a piece of
hardware on the original machine.
Now shut your computer down.
Re-boot and let WinMe boot into Normal Mode and WATCH THE SCREEN CAREFULLY!
Does it say that a New Device has been detected, and then continues to try
to install a Serial Mouse?
Does it ask for Drivers, or offer - or try - to install a Mouse Driver. If
so, let WinMe install its best choice (probably a Generic MS serial mouse
driver).
Let it continue to completion.
Is your mouse pointer now visible & working?
BTW - As Rick T has pointed out, his Navigation tip works in Normal Mode too
g
Mart
"twins2" wrote in message
...
The serial mouse is just the L/R click only.
Since the serial mouse does not work under normal boot, decided to shut
down, took out the serial mouse and boot normally and shut down again.
Then
connect the serial mouse again and boot up normally. No, the pc never say
detected a new hardware and cos the mouse is no way to be seen.
Then I boot up again under 'safe mode' , ya, the mouse works but there is
no
mouse icon.
There is a question mark under the tree is PCI multimedia .../PCI network
controller/Real magic pro. (this is under the 'safe mode'
(Sorry, I do not know how to go to DM under normal mode since the mouse
does
not work)
I hope you can follow my sequence of events and assist to fig out.
On the ME Startup disk, since it can bootup under 'safe mode' can I make
the
STARTUP disk from there? What can I use it for?
++
AS for the ps2 mouse did not try any further, fyi the ps2 has a wheel in
the
middle besides the L/R click.
Thanks
"Mart" wrote:
twins2 wrote:-
.... In the device mgr, there is the 'ps2 mouse' entry only
and nothing else. I delete it and after a while the mouse
icon is gone from the main tree. BUT the funny thing is
the mouse is still working after I deleted it and (no mouse
icon in the main tree). I can navigate to open my
word file etc.
OK, although you "Removed"or 'deleted' it in DevMan, the (basic) mouse
driver is still (usually) resident until you power-down. Hence it
continued
to 'work'
Next, start in normal mode and the serial mouse is noway to be seen.
Did WinMe advise you that it (the mouse) was being detected during the
boot-up process - and ask you for a driver disk? (BTW - What make of
mouse
is it and was a driver disk provided with the mouse? - Does it have a
Wheel
as well as the two (L & R) buttons? If so, it may require a special
driver
rather than a 'Generic' driver.
Are there any conflicts (Yellow question marks or exclamation marks)
showing
in DevMan in NORMAL MODE when the mouse isn't being seen on the screen?
... Anthing I should do in bios.
No, I don't think it's a BIOS problem - more likely a WinMe driver
problem -
BUT I am very concerned about the likelihood of a 'mis-matched' registry,
due to swapping the drive from the other PC.
If you haven't got a WinMe Startup (floppy) Disk, then you *MAY* be able
to
make one yourself (see How to Create a Startup Disk in Windows Me) -
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;267287 )
If you are unable to do that, then download an image and make one from
www.bootdisk.com . **Be sure to read the instructions.**
Bed time here in the UK (8hrs ahead of you guys) see how you get on.
Mart
"twins2" wrote in message
...
What happen after (4) power off, I decides to take out the ps2 mouse
and
put
in the serial mouse and boot up on 'safe mode'. It does its usual
thing,
scan
and the mouse works. In the device mgr, there is the 'ps2 mouse' entry
only
and nothing else. I delete it and after a while the mouse icon is gone
from
the main tree. BUT the funny thing is the mouse is still working after
I
deleted it and (no mouse icon in the main tree). I can navigate to open
my
word file etc.
Its a real mystery, normally when you deleted the driver, once gone,
you
expect the mouse to stop working immediately. any idea whats going on
here?
Next, start in normal mode and the serial mouse is noway to be seen.
Anthing
I should do in bios. With the serial mouse in place, its back to square
one.
sorry that I did not follow what was explain earlier. Think it come
back
to
the same situation, where could the conflict lies? Pleas help as
reformat
is
the last thing I want to do, thanks
Mart,
"Mart" wrote:
what could be wrong?
Well, if not before, you have probably by now made yourself a nice
bowl
of
mouse driver "soup". (Conflict of drivers)
From your responses, it would seem that you didn't follow (either of)
my
previous suggestions - the first in particular. However, the fact that
you
swapped the HD from one machine to another will probably have upset
the
'original' WinMe registry, as at least some of the other hardware (and
drivers) will be different.
Further, the fact that "The ME pc broke down a while ago (hardware
issue)."
doesn't bode too well - I just wonder what else was/is faulty?
and the ME cd has long gone in the bin.
Along with the WinMe Startup (floppy) Disk, I suppose - Oh dear!!
Any thing I can do next.
In view of the state that you are now in - and the fact that HD is in
the
'wrong' machine (registry issues) - and that you no longer have a
WinMe
CD,
you might just as well start over and clean install Win98se - assuming
you
still have that CD!!. And from this distance, without any tools (the
WinMe
Startup Disk or CD) there's little else I can offer.
Oddly why was it working before in the 'safe mode.'
Probably more by good luck than good management - but by not following
my
suggestions and switching-off, part way through a setting-up sequence
wouldn't have helped.
You *might* get some help from your local computer techie who would be
able
to get a 'hands-on' go at it.
Mart
"twins2" wrote in message
...
let me sstart again, with the ps2 mouse.
1/ now I start in Normal, the mouse no where to be seen. Shut down
the
pc.
2/ Start in safe mode, after hitting ;safe mode' the system seems
hang
as
the hour glass just appear at the centre of the screen. Hit 'enter'
key,
nothing happen, So have to push the power buttons to 'off' pc.
3/ Start in safe mode again(after hitting 'safe mode' get the 'ME'
logo'
and
the message 'window is by passing the start up files' , {{which I
did
not
get
in (2)}} then scan disk 'c' After finish scanning, get the hour
glass
(like
in 2) and hang there. Hit 'enter' nothing happen and looks like I
have
to
push the button again.
4/ repeat (3) and get the same result. After finish scanning the
'c',
ithang
there.
((the hd was scan for virus using NAV 2005 and Adware witht he
latest
definitions))
what could be wrong and the ME cd has long gone in the bin. Any
thing I
can
do next. Oddly why was it working before in the 'safe mode.'
"Mart" wrote:
.. it does not work under normal mode. Under the mouse, there is
only
1
ps2 entry.
In NORMAL MODE? - What do you see in SAFE MODE?
Tried several times (each time delete the ps2 entry)
In SAFE MODE?
and let it
detect
In NORMAL MODE?
and the mouse works under safe mode BUT not in normal mode, why?
But, did you attempt to "Remove" ALL mouse/pointer devices in SAFE
MODE?
Mart
"twins2" wrote in message
...
I realised that there is a ps2 port, so I attached the ps2 mouse
instead
of
the serial mouse and boot up under safe mode and the ps2 mouse
works.
However, it does not work under normal mode. Under the mouse,
there
is
only 1
ps2 entry. Tried several times (each time delete the ps2 entry)
and
let
it
detect and the mouse works under safe mode BUT not in normal
mode,
why?
In
fact the mouse is no where to be seen. (move all over the place,
but
its
playing hide and seek, no where to be seen... pls adv as
obviously I
need
it
to work in normal mode.
thanks
"Mart" wrote:
Boot into Safe Mode (Ctrl or F8 keys at startup) and navigate to
Device
Manager (using the keyboard Tab and arrow keys etc.) Look for
ANY/ALL
mouse
and pointing devices and "Remove" them.
Shut down and reboot (into Normal Mode). WinMe should re-detect
the
serial
mouse and install the drivers.
BTW - you *might* find that the mouse actually works in Safe
Mode.
HTH
Mart
"twins2" wrote in message
...
We have 2 similar aged P MMX pcs, one with 98se(1) and other
with
ME(2),.
Both pc's used serial mouse and serial kb. PC (1) is working
fine.
(the
pc's
are not connected to each other)
The ME pc broke down a while ago (hardware issue). So, I took
out
hd
(1)
and
put in hd (2) that is with the ME into pc(!). It boots up ok
but
the
mouse
is
no where to be seen while the kb seems to be ok as I was able
to
move
the
'dot' when I press '+'/arrow sign.
Pls advice how can I solve this problem, many thanks. When it
rains,
it
never seems to stop......