A few days ago, could not get Aioe.org to get, nor post, why?
 

A few days ago, after reading and replying to 1 posting, I could no loger
reply to any posting on the newsgroups through the Aioe access.

Kept getting an error message
Error 441 BanList, or something


At the same time ONLY the Subject lines and originators' names would come
in, couldn't read a SINGLE posting, all blank. It felt like being blocked.
The newsgroups from eternal-september kept coming in, and I could read
each, but not the ones through Aioe. Of course, can't seem to get any
posting through eternal-september, but at least could read.

Seemed very odd, since I only read down through approx 200-400 postings a
day, and barely respond to at most 10 a day so there should be no reason
to get blocked. Rebooting and/or over the next few days problem went away.
Any ideas why, or better yet what to do if it happens again?

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On 08/17/2013 08:51 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
A few days ago, after reading and replying to 1 posting, I could no
loger reply to any posting on the newsgroups through the Aioe access.

Kept getting an error message
Error 441 BanList, or something


At the same time ONLY the Subject lines and originators' names would
come in, couldn't read a SINGLE posting, all blank. It felt like being
blocked. The newsgroups from eternal-september kept coming in, and I
could read each, but not the ones through Aioe. Of course, can't seem to
get any posting through eternal-september, but at least could read.

Seemed very odd, since I only read down through approx 200-400 postings
a day, and barely respond to at most 10 a day so there should be no
reason to get blocked. Rebooting and/or over the next few days problem
went away. Any ideas why, or better yet what to do if it happens again?


Some news groups reject aioe to prevent spam I suppose.
I mainly use eternal-september

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RobertMacy wrote:

... I could no longer reply to any posting on the newsgroups
through the Aioe access.

Error 441 BanList, or something

At the same time ONLY the Subject lines and originators' names
would come in, couldn't read a SINGLE posting, all blank.
It felt like being blocked.

Rebooting and/or over the next few days problem went away.
Any ideas why, or better yet what to do if it happens again?

A few points:

- if you are replying to a post that has been cross-posted to more than
3 groups, AIOE will give you an error until or unless you trim the
distribution down to 3 groups. That does not seem to be the issue here.

- AIOE has a policy that blocks or prohibits cross-posting between
groups with "politics" in the name. It seems that only single-posting
is allowed to "political" groups. For example, I don't think you can
cross post between "alt.politics.scorched.earth" and any other group,
even a group that might seem to be related. For example, I have tried a
few times to cross-post between this group (M.P.W98.G_D) and
alt.politics.win98 - and the attempt was blocked.

- AIOE has a more-or-less "secret" list of banned groups - newsgroups
that you can't post to, and that you only discover by attempting to post
and get hit with the "banned" error. If you are attempting to post to a
single group, then it's obvious which group is banned. If you are
attempting to reply to a post that was cross-posted to several groups,
then it won't be obvious which one is banned. The reasons why a group
is banned is rarely discussed by the admin, and the legitamacy or the
strength of the reasons or evidence behind the decision can be
questionable. I'm not aware of any groups that are permanently banned -
it's more like a groups is banned for an indeterminate time.

When it comes to reading posts from the AIOE server, there is no reason
or mechanism that I know of that performs any blocking - except that I
*believe* that the server doesn't allow for more than 200 connection
events from the same IP over a 24 hour period. A combination of how
your newsreader works and your news-reading habbits during the day might
bring you up against that connection-limit.

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On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:13:23 -0700, philo* wrote:

...snip...
Some news groups reject aioe to prevent spam I suppose.
I mainly use eternal-september

This was a one time series, or happens other times, may not have noticed,
because I don't read a LOT of these postings

I'm registered at eternal-september and received this response via e-t,
However, I had to go to Aioe, because could never resply, or post, though
e-t. says something about may not be set up correctly, Well, duh! So
exactly WHAT needs set up, doesn't elaborate.

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On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 20:50:08 -0700, 98 Guy wrote:

RobertMacy wrote:

... I could no longer reply to any posting on the newsgroups
through the Aioe access.

Error 441 BanList, or something

At the same time ONLY the Subject lines and originators' names
would come in, couldn't read a SINGLE posting, all blank.
It felt like being blocked.

Rebooting and/or over the next few days problem went away.
Any ideas why, or better yet what to do if it happens again?

A few points:

- if you are replying to a post that has been cross-posted to more than
3 groups, AIOE will give you an error until or unless you trim the
distribution down to 3 groups. That does not seem to be the issue here.

- AIOE has a policy that blocks or prohibits cross-posting between
groups with "politics" in the name. It seems that only single-posting
is allowed to "political" groups. For example, I don't think you can
cross post between "alt.politics.scorched.earth" and any other group,
even a group that might seem to be related. For example, I have tried a
few times to cross-post between this group (M.P.W98.G_D) and
alt.politics.win98 - and the attempt was blocked.

- AIOE has a more-or-less "secret" list of banned groups - newsgroups
that you can't post to, and that you only discover by attempting to post
and get hit with the "banned" error. If you are attempting to post to a
single group, then it's obvious which group is banned. If you are
attempting to reply to a post that was cross-posted to several groups,
then it won't be obvious which one is banned. The reasons why a group
is banned is rarely discussed by the admin, and the legitamacy or the
strength of the reasons or evidence behind the decision can be
questionable. I'm not aware of any groups that are permanently banned -
it's more like a groups is banned for an indeterminate time.

When it comes to reading posts from the AIOE server, there is no reason
or mechanism that I know of that performs any blocking - except that I
*believe* that the server doesn't allow for more than 200 connection
events from the same IP over a 24 hour period. A combination of how
your newsreader works and your news-reading habbits during the day might
bring you up against that connection-limit.

Interesting. I didn't check for cross posting, but might have been true,
sincee [from memory] it was one of those OT subjects on alt.home.repair

I only pay attention to around 3-5 Usenet groups, and only 1 of those goes
through Aioe. The others go through e-t, like this group. Since I can
read, left the list alone, since I can post through Aioe, just let it go
on that way.

The ONLY group on Aioe is alt.home.repair, which has enough activity,
thank you! Only the postings to that group would not come in that day.
All the e-t kept coming in.

Opera 'checks' Usenet gorups every 5 minutes, that would be 16.7 hours,
don't think on line for that long. Perhaps, as I scan own through
postings, each time I 'puase' over a message and the text fills in, that's
considered a 'connection. That would explain it. Easily several 100
postings a day on alt.home.repair

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RobertMacy, while unnecessarily full-quoting, wrote:

Interesting. I didn't check for cross posting, but might have been
true, since [from memory] it was one of those OT subjects on
alt.home.repair

Cross-posting a reply to more than 3 groups shouldn't result in the
"banned" error.

I only pay attention to around 3-5 Usenet groups, and only 1 of
those goes through Aioe. The others go through e-t, like this
group. Since I can read, left the list alone, since I can post
through Aioe, just let it go on that way.

(cut the rest of your post)

I really don't understand what you're trying to explain or describe
here.

Are you trying to say that ES carries some groups that AIOE does not -
and hence you need to use both servers?

Opera 'checks' Usenet gorups every 5 minutes, that would be
16.7 hours, don't think on line for that long.

You should not be treating usenet the same way you treat e-mail.

Email requires constant checking to see if you have mail, and mail
servers are set up for this.

I have NEVER EVER heard of anyone having a usenet client check for new
posts on a timed schedule the same way an email client checks for new
mail. That is absolutely crazy.

Again, I've told you about clients such as Netscape Communicator, but
you are so dense that you apparently don't try software that works AND
WORKS WELL WITHOUT GIVING YOU THESE ODDBALL PROBLEMS.

Stop using Opera for reading usenet and use a proper client. Or
continue to suffer because of your stubbornness.

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In message , 98 Guy writes:
RobertMacy, while unnecessarily full-quoting, wrote:
[]
Opera 'checks' Usenet gorups every 5 minutes, that would be
16.7 hours, don't think on line for that long.

You should not be treating usenet the same way you treat e-mail.

Email requires constant checking to see if you have mail, and mail
servers are set up for this.

I have NEVER EVER heard of anyone having a usenet client check for new
posts on a timed schedule the same way an email client checks for new
mail. That is absolutely crazy.

So how do _you_ get usenet posts?

Again, I've told you about clients such as Netscape Communicator, but
you are so dense that you apparently don't try software that works AND
WORKS WELL WITHOUT GIVING YOU THESE ODDBALL PROBLEMS.

Stop using Opera for reading usenet and use a proper client. Or
continue to suffer because of your stubbornness.

(I think I'll count down from 10.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

.... would have me up before Lord Justice Leveson before you could say "I
simply can't recall". - Eddie Mair, Radio Times 14-20 July 2012

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On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 06:57:04 -0700, J. P. Gilliver (John)
wrote:

In message , 98 Guy writes:
RobertMacy, while unnecessarily full-quoting, wrote:
[]
Opera 'checks' Usenet gorups every 5 minutes, that would be
16.7 hours, don't think on line for that long.

You should not be treating usenet the same way you treat e-mail.

Email requires constant checking to see if you have mail, and mail
servers are set up for this.

I have NEVER EVER heard of anyone having a usenet client check for new
posts on a timed schedule the same way an email client checks for new
mail. That is absolutely crazy.

So how do _you_ get usenet posts?

After around 5 minutes of starting Opera, a small note at the bottom of
the screen says something like 237 emails have arrived from
eternal-september, or AIOE. Then at anytime, I can select MAIL along top
bar and all the postings appear as Names with Subject Dates, etc Lines
with the list in blue font. If I select any 'email' it's marked as 'read'
and changes to a black font entry with the posting appearing on bottom
half of screen. Most of these postings I completely ignore and simply
delete by either sitting on each entry and hitting delete, or highlighting
from top to bottom [much faster] with the shift key select and THEN hit
delete, they all disappear. I can also select thread and postings are
shown, not chronologically, but as an indented thread set showing name
subject date etc. Asking for THREAD view brings back the 'deleted'
postings for continuity. All in all pretty intuitive and easy to go
through. After that, any new postings, [if Opera is running] I receive a
small note, bottom of screen so if it is one of the threads I'm interested
in, I simply go read 'mail', or continue on with what I'm doing and ignore.

I do NOT use Opera for regular email. I use our ISP's specially provided
email program for regular emails. Since I have selected that ONLY text
come through, using their service there's NO way to get attacked with
malware. It's their problem. and they have storage and organization and
etc...

Again, I've told you about clients such as Netscape Communicator, but
you are so dense that you apparently don't try software that works AND
WORKS WELL WITHOUT GIVING YOU THESE ODDBALL PROBLEMS.

Stop using Opera for reading usenet and use a proper client. Or
continue to suffer because of your stubbornness.

(I think I'll count down from 10.)

98 Guy, don't mistake stubbornness for denseness. I've had such bad
experiences with Netscape, 'forgot its name', Internet Explorer and the
other MS product, and now had BIG problem with Google Chrome had to delete
from the WinXP [spit, spit, curse begone!]; I don't care to use them.


What I meant by e-s has list and Aoie has list is that I started with e-s
and subscribed to almost all of the groups I wanted, then when couldn't
post and added Aioe with the additional single group; all went well so
simply stopped changing things. Works, who cares now, right? So what if
e-s provides a large chunk and Aoie provides equally large chunk in a
single group; since I can reply to either by selecting Aioe. like I'm
doing now.


So, there you have the picture, perhaps going down a myriad of postings
one by one 'appeared' to Aioe as 200 'visits' or whatever they call it, so
they turned things off for that one day.

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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

I have NEVER EVER heard of anyone having a usenet client check
for new posts on a timed schedule the same way an email client
checks for new mail. That is absolutely crazy.

So how do _you_ get usenet posts?

When I'm in the mood to read (or post to) usenet, I fire up Netscape
communicator, which is one click away on my taskbar. That's if
Communicator is not already running (but minimized).

I have about 2-dozen different NNTP server's configured in
Communicator. They're listed in the left-pane, under the
"Inbox/Drafts/Templates/Sent/Trash" selections that are part of the
e-mail section. I really don't use Communictor for email for about 5
years on this computer, so those are just legacy bits hanging around.
The Sent folder, however, is where any usenet post that I make gets
archived (just as it would for e-mail).

AIOE is one of the listed NNTP servers. I open it by clicking the "+"
beside it (expanding the tree-view). All the newsgroups that I've
subscribed to for AIOE are then listed under it, and Communicator begins
the process of checking for the current message-count in each group and
comparing it to the last/previous count, and if they're different, that
indicates there are new messages in those groups and the number of new
messages is printed beside each group. At this point, Communicator
doesn't actually go out and get any message headers for any groups.

Now, if I notice that one of the groups actually has new messages, I
will click on that group (in the left-pane) and a list of the most
recent posts is displayed in the top-pane on the right side. They can
be displayed in a linear list (according to time-stamp) or sorted by
Subject, Author, or tree-view (by subject) depending on the settings I
last used for that group. New posts have their subject-lines indicted
by bold-print.

I click on any given post in the top pane, and the post is displayed in
the lower pane. It's a lot like reading e-mail.

If I click to a new group, all posts in the current group are treated as
"old" even if I haven't viewed all of the new posts. If I click between
groups, the new-message-count is updated when I return to the previous
group.

If I "roll-up" the NNTP server that I currently have open, and then
expand it again, the new-message-count is updated for each group.

Unlike the SMTP (email) setting for the time interval to check for new
mail, Communicator has no such setting for the NNTP (usenet) server -
and rightly so in my opinion. Because for usenet, you can pretty much
garantee that if you follow a dozen or so groups, not more than a minute
or two will go by before one of them will have a new post, so there's no
real point of checking for new posts on a timed basis - especially if
you leave your news-reader client open and walk away from your computer.

So I can see how anyone using a news client that performs scheduled
polling of the NNTP server for new messages could end up breaking one of
the rules on the AIOE server limiting how many sessions any given IP can
have during a 24-hour period. I realize that now because I didn't know
that there are usenet clients that perform scheduled polling for new
messages (because, as I explained above, I don't see a valid use-case
for such a "feature").

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In message , 98 Guy writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

I have NEVER EVER heard of anyone having a usenet client check
for new posts on a timed schedule the same way an email client
checks for new mail. That is absolutely crazy.

No, it's how a lot of people do it (and a feature of many news clients).
You _may_ have highlighted a reason not to do it with _some_ news
servers.

So how do _you_ get usenet posts?
[]
AIOE is one of the listed NNTP servers. I open it by clicking the "+"
beside it (expanding the tree-view). All the newsgroups that I've
subscribed to for AIOE are then listed under it, and Communicator begins
the process of checking for the current message-count in each group and
comparing it to the last/previous count, and if they're different, that
indicates there are new messages in those groups and the number of new
messages is printed beside each group. At this point, Communicator
doesn't actually go out and get any message headers for any groups.

(Do you mean it doesn't get message _bodies_? Surely in order to check
"the current message-count" it needs headers. Or are you going on some
sort of serial number that the server puts on each message?)

Now, if I notice that one of the groups actually has new messages, I
will click on that group (in the left-pane) and a list of the most
recent posts is displayed in the top-pane on the right side. They can
be displayed in a linear list (according to time-stamp) or sorted by
Subject, Author, or tree-view (by subject) depending on the settings I
last used for that group. New posts have their subject-lines indicted
by bold-print.

All that is fairly standard for newsreaders. (I think most people use a
threaded view - not _quite_ by subject, as you _can_ have two or more
threads with the same subject.)

I click on any given post in the top pane, and the post is displayed in
the lower pane. It's a lot like reading e-mail.

(Obviously at some point your news client has downloaded the bodies of
the posts as well as the headers - or maybe it's doing so as you get to
them.) What you describe is fairly normal for newsreaders, too. (_I_
used to use Netscape for news too, at work, many years ago; from what I
remember it was a good news client.)

If I click to a new group, all posts in the current group are treated as
"old" even if I haven't viewed all of the new posts. If I click between

(That would drive me nuts, but each to his own. It might even be an
optional setting.)

groups, the new-message-count is updated when I return to the previous
group.

If I "roll-up" the NNTP server that I currently have open, and then
expand it again, the new-message-count is updated for each group.

So, basically, _you_ trigger a fetch of new posts (or at least a new
count), by - in one of at least two ways - going out of and then coming
back in to a 'group.

Unlike the SMTP (email) setting for the time interval to check for new
mail, Communicator has no such setting for the NNTP (usenet) server -
and rightly so in my opinion. Because for usenet, you can pretty much
garantee that if you follow a dozen or so groups, not more than a minute
or two will go by before one of them will have a new post, so there's no
real point of checking for new posts on a timed basis - especially if
you leave your news-reader client open and walk away from your computer.

That is your opinion, to which you're entitled. Others might prefer, if
they leave their newsreader open - looking at a newsgroup - and walk
away, for it to show any new posts that have arrived in that 'group by
the time they come back, without them having to do anything. Again, each
to his own.

So I can see how anyone using a news client that performs scheduled
polling of the NNTP server for new messages could end up breaking one of
the rules on the AIOE server limiting how many sessions any given IP can
have during a 24-hour period. I realize that now because I didn't know

Of course, we're making assumptions about what constitutes a "session"
here; unless someone quotes something unambiguous from the AIOE Ts and
Cs (if it is even clarified there), we won't know one way or another.

that there are usenet clients that perform scheduled polling for new

I didn't know there were news servers that limit by number of sessions;
I'd heard of limits on number of _posts_, and on total _size_ of posts.
You live and learn!

messages (because, as I explained above, I don't see a valid use-case
for such a "feature").

Well, I've given one; I now know there are at least three of us still
here, so maybe ... (-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

There's nothing wrong with looking at cake. - Sarah Millican, Radio Times
10-16 December 2011

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"RobertMacy" wrote in message
news:op.w1yrgp2i2cx0wh@ajm...
A few days ago, after reading and replying to 1 posting, I could no loger
reply to any posting on the newsgroups through the Aioe access.
Kept getting an error message
Error 441 BanList, or something


#1 Your new IP number was is the Aioe -Ban-List
Try not Renewing your IP number all the time
#2 User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.64 (Win32)
Auto postings same IP number
To more then ten time a day
will get you put is the Aioe -Ban-List

#3 having to manly lines or a to big of a message
That was Reposted more the two time
Will get you put is the Aioe -Ban-List
For 24 hours
But a if Reposted more the two time
after 24 hours
Put is the Aioe -Ban-List for one year

User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.64 (Win32)
Reposting is not good will Aioe

At the same time ONLY the Subject lines and originators' names would come
in, couldn't read a SINGLE posting, all blank. It felt like being blocked.
The newsgroups from eternal-september kept coming in, and I could read
each, but not the ones through Aioe. Of course, can't seem to get any
posting through eternal-september, but at least could read. Seemed very
odd, since I only read down through approx 200-400 postings a day, and
barely respond to at most 10 a day so there should be no reason to get
blocked. Rebooting and/or over the next few days problem went away. Any
ideas why, or better yet what to do if it happens again?

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"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
RobertMacy wrote:


http://aioe.org/index.php?terms-of-use

This is the one that always F-me 98 Guy

Each body line of an article must be shorter than 160 characters.
Quoted, blank and empty lines must be less than 80% of total body.
A quoted line begins with "" or "|", a blank line contains only spaces
an empty one includes only a single newline ("\n") character.
The argument of the Date header must be correct.
Often spammers send messages with
a future date in order to become visible
in the top of article list on clients which sort their groups by date;
this implies that sender's system clock has to be properly configured.

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"RobertMacy"

Opera 'checks' Usenet groups every 5 minutes,

Turn it off
you do not need Auto-Checks
with Free-News-Servers

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Hot-Text wrote:

http://aioe.org/index.php?terms-of-use

This is the one that always F-me 98 Guy

Each body line of an article must be shorter than 160 characters.

Once in a while I'll post a long URL, and I'll get the "line too long"
error. But I'll just break the URL somewhere with a CR/LF and re-post,
and the server will take it.

Quoted, blank and empty lines must be less than 80% of total body.

Because I know how to properly edit my replies with inline quotes, I
never get hit with that rule.

The argument of the Date header must be correct.

I've never been hit with violating that rule, but I am curious as to
what sort of error message AIOE returns when your date or time-stamp is
way off.

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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

No, it's how a lot of people do it (and a feature of many news
clients). You _may_ have highlighted a reason not to do it
with _some_ news servers.

I still think that polling for new usenet posts makes no sense.

Your mail client polls for new email but it does so while it's tucked
away in the background, and (usually) only announces new mail with an
indicator icon in the system try. It's useful to know when you have new
mail because (unless it's spam) it's directed at you, it pertains to
you, it might be important to you, etc. The person sending the mail
benefits when there is a short time-delay in getting a reply from you,
and hence frequent polling cuts down the time-delay in email
conversations.

Unless you are having an active discussion on usenet, almost none of the
above reasons apply to polling for new usenet messages. And even when
you are having an active discussion, simply clicking off and then back
on the group will cause your reader to refresh the group message list,
and you can keep up with new messages "in real time" - certainly faster
than a polling method with settings in terms of minutes.

messages is printed beside each group. At this point, Communicator
doesn't actually go out and get any message headers for any groups.

(Do you mean it doesn't get message _bodies_? Surely in order to check
"the current message-count" it needs headers. Or are you going on some
sort of serial number that the server puts on each message?)

Communicator (and most purpose-built usenet clients I would imagine)
know how many new posts in any given newsgroup are sitting on a server
*without* having to download any of the messages or even the message
headers.

In fact, Communicator has a setting for the max number of new message
headers to download. In other words, if I subscribe to a new group (or
visit an active group infrequently) there may be hundreds or thousands
of posts sitting on the server that are "new" (new for me anyways) even
if they are days, weeks or months old. I can tell Communictor that my
limit is 500 posts, and when I open a group that has more than 500 "new"
posts, it will only download the message headers for the most-recent 500
posts, and mark the remaining ones as "read" (red).

I click on any given post in the top pane, and the post is
displayed in the lower pane. It's a lot like reading e-mail.

(Obviously at some point your news client has downloaded the bodies
of the posts as well as the headers - or maybe it's doing so as you
get to them.)

It downloads the headers immediately when I click on a group in the left
pane - up to the limit that I mentioned above. It displays the
message-subject, sender, time/date stamp for each post, 1 per line, in
the top pane of the right side. The entire history of all posts
(subject, sender, date/time) seems to be cached indefinately. There are
some groups that I can go back and see the subjects, sender, date/time
going back to 2008. But if I click on any of those old posts (to
display them in the lower pane) I'm told the post is no longer on the
server, at which point I can elect to remove all posts that are no
longer on the server from this cache. AIOE caches posts for something
like 40 or 60 days.

What you describe is fairly normal for newsreaders, too. (_I_
used to use Netscape for news too, at work, many years ago; from
what I remember it was a good news client.)

I couldn't imaging using anything else for reading/posting to usenet.

If I click to a new group, all posts in the current group are
treated as "old" even if I haven't viewed all of the new posts.

That would drive me nuts, but each to his own. It might even be
an optional setting.)

I'm wrong about that. It's not the number of "new" messages that is
displayed along side each group in the left pane - it's the number of
unread messages. If I leave a group without reading all the new
messages, the count of unread messages is maintained and added to later
if I go back to that group and it has new messages.

In many groups, if there is a new thread that is started and I'm not
interested in following it, I mark it as "ignore". From that point on,
all posts in that thread won't show up in the message-list in the top
pane.

If I want to leave a group but mark all posts as "read" (red), I
right-click and select "mark group as read".

So, basically, _you_ trigger a fetch of new posts (or at least a new
count), by - in one of at least two ways - going out of and then coming
back in to a 'group.

Yes.

Of course, we're making assumptions about what constitutes a
"session" here; unless someone quotes something unambiguous
from the AIOE Ts and Cs (if it is even clarified there), we
won't know one way or another.

-----------
Each IP address is authorized to post 25 messages per day and the
posting rights are suspended for 24 hours if more than three messages
are rejected in a day. Each post must be sent to less than three groups
(crosspost) and each one can include at most three followup groups.
Maximum allowed size is 32 KB per article and 2 KB per header. Only two
concurrent connections per IP address are allowed and 400 connections
per day are accepted from each IP address.
------------

That's from he

http://www.aioe.org/

There are 1440 minutes in a day. 1440 / 400 = 3.6.

A connection could end, say, a minute after the last packet exchanged
between client/server. In which case, checking for new messages every 3
minutes would put you up against the 400-connection limit at close to
the 24-hour mark, assuming your computer is on 24/7 along with the
usenet client.

A few days ago, could not get Aioe.org to get, nor post, why?
 

RobertMacy wrote:
On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:13:23 -0700, philo wrote:

...snip...
Some news groups reject aioe to prevent spam I suppose.
I mainly use eternal-september

This was a one time series, or happens other times, may not have
noticed, because I don't read a LOT of these postings

I'm registered at eternal-september and received this response via e-t,
However, I had to go to Aioe, because could never resply, or post,
though e-t. says something about may not be set up correctly, Well, duh!
So exactly WHAT needs set up, doesn't elaborate.

In your newsreader program, you need to select "Always request authentication".
Such a tick box can be seen in the preferences here. It causes the
client to volunteer your username and password for that account.

http://www.netfaqs.com/macintosh/Mai...dit/Edit02.png

The process with news servers is a bit screwy. You would think
the server would just prompt for a username and password. But
instead, the client offers the info. And so you have to
set up the client program, to send in your details. With E-S
you want it enabled, with AIOE it should be disabled.

And E-S makes this harder, by supported both unauthenticated
as well as authenticated operation.

If you connect to E-S without using the username and password,
a grand total of 12 newsgroups are available. These are the
eternal-september support groups. This provides a way for new
users, to request help. That is why there are only the
dozen or so groups in the list. They're help groups of some sort.

If you have selected the "Always request authentication" option,
then on login there will be thousands of newsgroups to read or
post to. When you fetch the newsgroup list, it'll be a lot larger.

Paul

A few days ago, could not get Aioe.org to get, nor post, why?
 

On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 06:12:32 -0700, Paul wrote:

RobertMacy wrote:
On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:13:23 -0700, philo wrote:

...snip...
Some news groups reject aioe to prevent spam I suppose.
I mainly use eternal-september
This was a one time series, or happens other times, may not have
noticed, because I don't read a LOT of these postings
I'm registered at eternal-september and received this response via
e-t, However, I had to go to Aioe, because could never resply, or post,
though e-t. says something about may not be set up correctly, Well,
duh! So exactly WHAT needs set up, doesn't elaborate.

In your newsreader program, you need to select "Always request
authentication".
Such a tick box can be seen in the preferences here. It causes the
client to volunteer your username and password for that account.

http://www.netfaqs.com/macintosh/Mai...dit/Edit02.png

The process with news servers is a bit screwy. You would think
the server would just prompt for a username and password. But
instead, the client offers the info. And so you have to
set up the client program, to send in your details. With E-S
you want it enabled, with AIOE it should be disabled.

And E-S makes this harder, by supported both unauthenticated
as well as authenticated operation.

If you connect to E-S without using the username and password,
a grand total of 12 newsgroups are available. These are the
eternal-september support groups. This provides a way for new
users, to request help. That is why there are only the
dozen or so groups in the list. They're help groups of some sort.

If you have selected the "Always request authentication" option,
then on login there will be thousands of newsgroups to read or
post to. When you fetch the newsgroup list, it'll be a lot larger.

Paul

Thank you for your response.

google access has now completely pushed themselves OUT of the picture.

Still can't respond through e-s, but can through aioe, like now.


Can't find ANY location in my newsreader [Opera 9.64] to select the
'authentication...'

However, a few days ago same problem - no bodies of postings. So tried an
experiment. Cleaned my browser, rebooted, and got back online. Could view
all again.

So concluded something may be happening here, not there.

A few days ago, could not get Aioe.org to get, nor post, why?
 

RobertMacy wrote:
On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 06:12:32 -0700, Paul wrote:

RobertMacy wrote:
On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:13:23 -0700, philo wrote:

...snip...
Some news groups reject aioe to prevent spam I suppose.
I mainly use eternal-september
This was a one time series, or happens other times, may not have
noticed, because I don't read a LOT of these postings
I'm registered at eternal-september and received this response via
e-t, However, I had to go to Aioe, because could never resply, or
post, though e-t. says something about may not be set up correctly,
Well, duh! So exactly WHAT needs set up, doesn't elaborate.

In your newsreader program, you need to select "Always request
authentication".
Such a tick box can be seen in the preferences here. It causes the
client to volunteer your username and password for that account.

http://www.netfaqs.com/macintosh/Mai...dit/Edit02.png


The process with news servers is a bit screwy. You would think
the server would just prompt for a username and password. But
instead, the client offers the info. And so you have to
set up the client program, to send in your details. With E-S
you want it enabled, with AIOE it should be disabled.

And E-S makes this harder, by supported both unauthenticated
as well as authenticated operation.

If you connect to E-S without using the username and password,
a grand total of 12 newsgroups are available. These are the
eternal-september support groups. This provides a way for new
users, to request help. That is why there are only the
dozen or so groups in the list. They're help groups of some sort.

If you have selected the "Always request authentication" option,
then on login there will be thousands of newsgroups to read or
post to. When you fetch the newsgroup list, it'll be a lot larger.

Paul

Thank you for your response.

google access has now completely pushed themselves OUT of the picture.

Still can't respond through e-s, but can through aioe, like now.


Can't find ANY location in my newsreader [Opera 9.64] to select the
'authentication...'

However, a few days ago same problem - no bodies of postings. So tried
an experiment. Cleaned my browser, rebooted, and got back online. Could
view all again.

So concluded something may be happening here, not there.

It's under Accounts : Properties : Servers then Authentication.
By default it is set to None. Try Auto, load a Username and Password
for your E-S account.

Paul

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