win 98 installation
 

want to reinstall windows 98 on computer currently running xp (used disk
from my other computer....not going to activate it. needed it to boot up
other computer.....couldn't make start up disk for win 98. ) Now that
computer has o/s want to put win98 on it. Whats the best way to go about
it. Thanks

win 98 installation
 

"rc" rc@home wrote in message
...

want to reinstall windows 98 on computer currently running xp (used disk
from my other computer....not going to activate it. needed it to boot up
other computer.....couldn't make start up disk for win 98. ) Now that
computer has o/s want to put win98 on it. Whats the best way to go about

First read with care
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html

Remember the XP PC may have been formatted NTFS
which Win98 cannot use.

Before starting go to www.bootdisk.com to download
the right startup floppy for your OS (as named on the CD.)
This will include FDISK which will allow you to repartition
the hard drive and FORMAT it before use.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

win 98 installation
 

rc wrote:
want to reinstall windows 98 on computer currently running xp (used disk
from my other computer....not going to activate it. needed it to boot up
other computer.....couldn't make start up disk for win 98. ) Now that
computer has o/s want to put win98 on it. Whats the best way to go about
it. Thanks



I would make sure are your drivers will support 98 or 98SE and also
realize that it may be difficult to get newer hardware for 98(98SE)
especially since the end of support for 98, 98SE and ME which ended on
July 11, 2006. In addition, make sure your machine has a firewall
before using the Internet. A good hardware firewall such as one built
into a router is a good choice. Later on you can install anti-spyware
programs and an anti-virus program to help protect your computer.
Finally, remember that you need Internet Explorer 6 sp1 in order to
access Windows Update for all the updates to this operating system.
Congratulations, on your good decision and may your experience be as
rewarding as mine has been so far with this operating system. (98SE in
my case)

win 98 installation
 

Your post is very hard to understand due to the syntax of your sentences, but what I
get from it is that you have a computer that has or had Win98 on it, you installed
XP (you don't say if it is an upgrade or installed as a dual boot), and that you are
not going to activate XP, and want to put 98 on it again. Is that correct?

If so, just use a boot disk to fdisk and format, then do a fresh install of 98 from
your 98 CD. You can't use the XP installation once the time period is up and it
asks for activation anyway.

Why couldn't you make a 98 startup disk? You can make one on any Win98 computer
through Control Panel Add\Remove Programs StartUp Disk tab.

You can make a Win98 startup disk in any computer if you have a retail Win98 CD, by
opening the \tools\mtsutil\fat32ebd folder on the CD and double-clicking
fat32ebd.exe

You can also get a bootdisk maker program for Win98 from he
http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"rc" rc@home wrote in message ...
want to reinstall windows 98 on computer currently running xp (used disk from my
other computer....not going to activate it. needed it to boot up other
computer.....couldn't make start up disk for win 98. ) Now that computer has o/s
want to put win98 on it. Whats the best way to go about it. Thanks

win 98 installation
 

IF the disk had NT5/XP NTFS used on it:

BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT TO REMOVE XP NTFS with a DOS program or using ANY DOS
techniques;;;;

DON'T!!!! YOU WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL unless you are an expert at doing so,
AND have the proper tools for disk manipulation and recovery!!!

DO NOT USE OLD DOS TECHNIQUES TO ATTEMPT REMOVAL OF NT5/XP NTFS.
This information is faulty and does not fully address the variables
associated with the NT5 - XP NTFS file system: it's encryption and
compression, hidden directories/folders, partitions (which the system
creates automatically) within partitions, "on the fly" CHS changes, and
other factors.

Put the disk back into the XP machine (if pulled from a different machine),
Note the below for attempting complete removal..

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/303661/en-us 303661 - How to uninstall
Windows XP and revert to a previous operating system
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/303160/ 303160 - Uninstall Not Available
Error Message When You Upgrade to Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308233/ 308233 - How to start the Windows XP
uninstallation process from a command prompt
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/312569/ 312569- How to manually start the
removal process to remove Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314052/ 314052 - How to manually remove
Windows XP and then restore Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Millennium
Edition
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307654/ 307654 - How to install and use the
Recovery Console in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/305595/ 305595 - How To Create a Boot Disk
for an NTFS or FAT Partition in Windows XP
KB119467
Q103049
KB122221
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro...c28621675.mspx
The above discusses certain variables, tools, and other which might be of
use for any NT5 - XP NTFS hard disk problems.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/reskits/webresources

NOTE: even using these Microsoft techniques; NT5 - XP NTFS may not be fully
removed from the hard drive. Microsoft has numerous legal disclaimers
associated with the use of this file system, warning that it may be
unremovable or make the disk unusable..

--
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"Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if
nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
Or to put it another way:
Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one.
_______________

"rc" rc@home wrote in message
...
| want to reinstall windows 98 on computer currently running xp (used disk
| from my other computer....not going to activate it. needed it to boot up
| other computer.....couldn't make start up disk for win 98. ) Now that
| computer has o/s want to put win98 on it. Whats the best way to go about
| it. Thanks
|
|

win 98 installation
 

On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 16:05:29 -0400, "MEB" meb@not
put finger to keyboard and composed:

IF the disk had NT5/XP NTFS used on it:

BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT TO REMOVE XP NTFS with a DOS program or using ANY DOS
techniques;;;;

DON'T!!!! YOU WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL unless you are an expert at doing so,
AND have the proper tools for disk manipulation and recovery!!!

DO NOT USE OLD DOS TECHNIQUES TO ATTEMPT REMOVAL OF NT5/XP NTFS.
This information is faulty and does not fully address the variables
associated with the NT5 - XP NTFS file system: it's encryption and
compression, hidden directories/folders, partitions (which the system
creates automatically) within partitions, "on the fly" CHS changes, and
other factors.

I would rewrite the MBR using ...

fdisk /mbr

.... and then delete and recreate the partition table using standard
DOS fdisk procedures.

I can't see any problem with this, unless the supplier of the PC has
made some peculiar changes to the BIOS which render sections of the
disc invisible. But that wouldn't be an NTFS issue.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

win 98 installation
 

Then you would destroy your hard disk... has no effect whatsoever on the new
file system /compressed and encrypted areas of the hard disk / reset
extended areas, and more than I will go into here...

There will be a web page shortly concerning these MISHANDLED hard drives..
do your research BEFORE responding....

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/
BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real
world"

"Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if
nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
Or to put it another way:
Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one.
_______________

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
| On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 16:05:29 -0400, "MEB" meb@not
| put finger to keyboard and composed:
|
| IF the disk had NT5/XP NTFS used on it:
|
| BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT TO REMOVE XP NTFS with a DOS program or using ANY DOS
| techniques;;;;
|
| DON'T!!!! YOU WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL unless you are an expert at doing
so,
| AND have the proper tools for disk manipulation and recovery!!!
|
| DO NOT USE OLD DOS TECHNIQUES TO ATTEMPT REMOVAL OF NT5/XP NTFS.
| This information is faulty and does not fully address the variables
| associated with the NT5 - XP NTFS file system: it's encryption and
| compression, hidden directories/folders, partitions (which the system
| creates automatically) within partitions, "on the fly" CHS changes, and
| other factors.
|
| I would rewrite the MBR using ...
|
| fdisk /mbr
|
| ... and then delete and recreate the partition table using standard
| DOS fdisk procedures.
|
| I can't see any problem with this, unless the supplier of the PC has
| made some peculiar changes to the BIOS which render sections of the
| disc invisible. But that wouldn't be an NTFS issue.
|
| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

win 98 installation
 

On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 19:56:47 -0400, "MEB" meb@not
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Then you would destroy your hard disk... has no effect whatsoever on the new
file system /compressed and encrypted areas of the hard disk / reset
extended areas, and more than I will go into here...

I can't find any online reference that supports your views. Everything
I read about encryption, for example, suggests that it is a high level
thing and that it does not depend on the OS or filesystem. However, I
notice that Seagate will soon be releasing HDs that can do encryption
on the fly at the hardware level but that's about all I can find. Do
you have any specific URLs on this subject?

There will be a web page shortly concerning these MISHANDLED hard drives..
do your research BEFORE responding....

MEB

AFAICT, all you need to do to reclaim an entire drive is to rewrite
the very first sector. How can any inactive disk resident data
structure prevent DOS from doing this? If DOS wants to write to CHS
0,0,1, what is there to stop it?

Would you be offended if I followed up your original post to a storage
newsgroup?

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
.. .
| On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 16:05:29 -0400, "MEB" meb@not
| put finger to keyboard and composed:
|
| IF the disk had NT5/XP NTFS used on it:
|
| BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT TO REMOVE XP NTFS with a DOS program or using ANY DOS
| techniques;;;;
|
| DON'T!!!! YOU WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL unless you are an expert at doing
so,
| AND have the proper tools for disk manipulation and recovery!!!
|
| DO NOT USE OLD DOS TECHNIQUES TO ATTEMPT REMOVAL OF NT5/XP NTFS.
| This information is faulty and does not fully address the variables
| associated with the NT5 - XP NTFS file system: it's encryption and
| compression, hidden directories/folders, partitions (which the system
| creates automatically) within partitions, "on the fly" CHS changes, and
| other factors.
|
| I would rewrite the MBR using ...
|
| fdisk /mbr
|
| ... and then delete and recreate the partition table using standard
| DOS fdisk procedures.
|
| I can't see any problem with this, unless the supplier of the PC has
| made some peculiar changes to the BIOS which render sections of the
| disc invisible. But that wouldn't be an NTFS issue.
|
| - Franc Zabkar

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

win 98 installation
 

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 19:56:47 -0400, "MEB" meb@not
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Then you would destroy your hard disk... has no effect whatsoever on the
new
file system /compressed and encrypted areas of the hard disk / reset
extended areas, and more than I will go into here...

I can't find any online reference that supports your views. Everything
I read about encryption, for example, suggests that it is a high level
thing and that it does not depend on the OS or filesystem. However, I
notice that Seagate will soon be releasing HDs that can do encryption
on the fly at the hardware level but that's about all I can find. Do
you have any specific URLs on this subject?

There will be a web page shortly concerning these MISHANDLED hard
drives..
do your research BEFORE responding....

MEB

AFAICT, all you need to do to reclaim an entire drive is to rewrite
the very first sector. How can any inactive disk resident data
structure prevent DOS from doing this? If DOS wants to write to CHS
0,0,1, what is there to stop it?

Would you be offended if I followed up your original post to a storage
newsgroup?

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
. ..
| On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 16:05:29 -0400, "MEB" meb@not
| put finger to keyboard and composed:
|
| IF the disk had NT5/XP NTFS used on it:
|
| BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT TO REMOVE XP NTFS with a DOS program or using ANY
DOS
| techniques;;;;
|
| DON'T!!!! YOU WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL unless you are an expert at doing
so,
| AND have the proper tools for disk manipulation and recovery!!!
|
| DO NOT USE OLD DOS TECHNIQUES TO ATTEMPT REMOVAL OF NT5/XP NTFS.
| This information is faulty and does not fully address the variables
| associated with the NT5 - XP NTFS file system: it's encryption and
| compression, hidden directories/folders, partitions (which the system
| creates automatically) within partitions, "on the fly" CHS changes, and
| other factors.
|
| I would rewrite the MBR using ...
|
| fdisk /mbr
|
| ... and then delete and recreate the partition table using standard
| DOS fdisk procedures.
|
| I can't see any problem with this, unless the supplier of the PC has
| made some peculiar changes to the BIOS which render sections of the
| disc invisible. But that wouldn't be an NTFS issue.
|
| - Franc Zabkar

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

interesting..
I've used fdisk to remove "non-dos" partitions with no problems (XP/NT/2000)
.....

win 98 installation
 

Not at all, make sure you include that they should first use a capable (not
limited by "bad sectors", CHS limits, etc., e.g.. forensic style) disk hex
editor to check any supposed NT5 - XP hard disk which has been (supposedly)
successfully re-used/re-fdisked/re-formatted via old DOS techniques or NT4
and below techniques...

However, as I will be producing my test results via numerous web pages:
regarding a dozen or so tools, techniques, and other related to this very
topic; I will not participate.. I do NOT, however, retract my
warning/cautionary notice.
I suggest you follow those Microsoft links I supplied, then ask yourself
this question: Why would Microsoft NOT suggest using the former techniques
on NT5 - XP NTFS disk if they were capable of use.. Also note that Win2000
techniques are NOT necessarily the same as the NT5 - XP techniques, server
2003, etc..

If you happen to have a former NT5 - XP NTFS disk available, use a good
recovery program, or "sdelete" from sysinternals, to check the drive.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/
BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real
world"

"Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if
nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
Or to put it another way:
Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one.
_______________

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
| On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 19:56:47 -0400, "MEB" meb@not
| put finger to keyboard and composed:
|
| Then you would destroy your hard disk... has no effect whatsoever on the
new
| file system /compressed and encrypted areas of the hard disk / reset
| extended areas, and more than I will go into here...
|
| I can't find any online reference that supports your views. Everything
| I read about encryption, for example, suggests that it is a high level
| thing and that it does not depend on the OS or filesystem. However, I
| notice that Seagate will soon be releasing HDs that can do encryption
| on the fly at the hardware level but that's about all I can find. Do
| you have any specific URLs on this subject?
|
| There will be a web page shortly concerning these MISHANDLED hard
drives..
| do your research BEFORE responding....
|
| MEB
|
| AFAICT, all you need to do to reclaim an entire drive is to rewrite
| the very first sector. How can any inactive disk resident data
| structure prevent DOS from doing this? If DOS wants to write to CHS
| 0,0,1, what is there to stop it?
|
| Would you be offended if I followed up your original post to a storage
| newsgroup?
|
| "Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
| .. .
| | On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 16:05:29 -0400, "MEB" meb@not
| | put finger to keyboard and composed:
| |
| | IF the disk had NT5/XP NTFS used on it:
| |
| | BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT TO REMOVE XP NTFS with a DOS program or using ANY
DOS
| | techniques;;;;
| |
| | DON'T!!!! YOU WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL unless you are an expert at doing
| so,
| | AND have the proper tools for disk manipulation and recovery!!!
| |
| | DO NOT USE OLD DOS TECHNIQUES TO ATTEMPT REMOVAL OF NT5/XP NTFS.
| | This information is faulty and does not fully address the variables
| | associated with the NT5 - XP NTFS file system: it's encryption and
| | compression, hidden directories/folders, partitions (which the system
| | creates automatically) within partitions, "on the fly" CHS changes,
and
| | other factors.
| |
| | I would rewrite the MBR using ...
| |
| | fdisk /mbr
| |
| | ... and then delete and recreate the partition table using standard
| | DOS fdisk procedures.
| |
| | I can't see any problem with this, unless the supplier of the PC has
| | made some peculiar changes to the BIOS which render sections of the
| | disc invisible. But that wouldn't be an NTFS issue.
| |
| | - Franc Zabkar
|
| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.