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Shane,

A coup[le of quick points:

1) Norton's recent AVs seem to be better than the version from the early
naughties however the problem here isn't Norton's AV but rather their
firewall.
2) I have yet to see any advert or nag screen when using Alwil's Avast!
version 4.8 and 5.0 AV applications.

I've seen has any Microsoft anti-malware product performed even as
well as average.

I suggest you check again. You might find yourself pleasantly surprised.
--
Mike


Arbuthnott Ferriwinkle wrote:

Noel,

Some points:

There seems to be a groundswell of opinion (whatever that means!) that
Norton AV is greatly improved these days (essentially far less
resource-hungry than it has been since circa 2003). I expect the
SystemWorks or whatever they do these days is still awful, and
really, everyone should just not use firewalls from any of these
not-primarily-firewall-software companys! For software firewalls -
essential even with a router with a firewall - Comodo and OnlineArmor
are probably the best free ones. I'm using Comodo widely thses days.

Do, please, call what you label here 'ad-bearing' the rather more
appropriate 'nag ware'. Though I'd be fascinated to know accurate
statistics as to the sum affect of intrusive pop-ups on, say, AVG
usage. I for one will never use it again! Or indeed the
equally-awful-these-days Zone Alarm.
My opinion on Avast! is mixed. I still dislike it intensely for look
and feel, though others patently like it, but the important thing is
it seems to perform pretty well (on a par with Antivir, which I am
now using on the everyday system despite having a couple of months
left on my NOD32 license).
It is easy to disable the Antivir nagscreen (and the Diskeeper Lite,
come to that!).

Finally, in not one of my own trials over the years nor any test by
the reputable testing labs nor in any in any sense rigorous review
I've seen has any Microsoft anti-malware product peformed even as
well as average. Generally it has been about on a par with
Norton/McAfee at their worse.

networking ME to win 7 via router
 

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"Rockytsquirrel" wrote:

Tks Joan,
I'll add this link to my new computer help file..
As I was telling Noel, I just purchased the "Dummies" book and I hope
I'll find the over looked problem soon..
(the old brain doesn't work as fast as it use too..)

tks again,
RTS



"Joan Archer" wrote in message
...
Is this any use to you ?

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...ons-of-Windows

--
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"Rockytsquirrel" wrote in message
...
Greetings,
Got a win 7 machine last month and was hoping to network it with the
older ME machines (2 in current network).
However each attempt the win 7 machine asks for passwords and such
which the networked ME machines
never used..
I'm not big on networks, any suggestions would be appreciated..

RTS

.

networking ME to win 7 via router
 

From personal experience, here, I can say that the Norton (Windows Control
panel/ Programs) Uninstaller ( as provided in the machines I've seen here)
is sufficient unto the need, in Win 7.
If you feel the need for belt-and-braces, then by all means also use the
Norton removal Tool (SymNRT.exe) - Google for it, because they have a nasty
habit of changing links without leaving forwarding behind!

The number of pings to your IP probably hasn't changed - merely your
perception of them:)

A NAT firewall will stop 99.x% of unauthorised pings from hitting your
network - so your software firewall never gets to see them (unless you play
silly wotsits with the NAT).



--
Noel Paton
CrashFixPC

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
www.crashfixpc.co.uk
"Rockytsquirrel" wrote in message
...
Greetings Mike,
your right I'm sure, I use the "tiny firewall" on the old ME's that
plus the router stopped all the problems I had been having when
directly connected..
(back in 2006 I had over 2000 + daily pings from somewhere in china..)

My next project will be to get the link for the total removal of
nortons..
It seem I head that the symantec site had such a tool..

tks again,
RTS


"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Correct, there is a way to allow LAN through the NORTON Firewall, but
I'll need to research the IP addresses to all the other machines
and then their individual names or ID's..
Currently I do not know that information.

That's totally ridiculous. Norton should be telling out what the devices
are and asking whether you wish to access them or not rather than you
having to establish the IPs and names of the devices you want to connect
to. If for some reason you feel the need for a third party firewall you
can do very much better than use the insane offering from Symantec you
have installed at present. Personally I use the XP, Vista or Win 7
firewalls and never used a firewall with Win Me, with my router's SPI &
NAT firewall being my primary line of defence.
--
Mike Maltby



Rockytsquirrel wrote:

Greetings Mike,
Correct, there is a way to allow LAN through the NORTON Firewall, but
I'll need to research the IP addresses to all the other machines
and then their individual names or ID's..
Currently I do not know that information. It then is added to an
exception page in the NORTONS firewall setup.
However, I was able to access the ME machine I wanted by shutting down
the NORTON firewall.
That 1 hour access saved me 4 hours of copy and paste via flash
drive.. ;-)

Tks to all who offered help and advice.
I think I'm beginning to get a feel for this win 7..
( and even the NORTONS which has a grip on it..) LOL

networking ME to win 7 via router
 

Greetings Noel,
tks for the info, my isp has a habit of changing my url about every
3-4 months..
the pings will vary accordingly. I had a url last year that was so bad
I had to request a change..

as for removing the program and all registry entries, in ME the
left-overs in the registry could be as much a problem as the program
itself.
In the new win 7 I can't say.. seems I heard somewhere the op sys
handle them differently..

Something we'll learn about I guess..

tks again.
RTS





"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
From personal experience, here, I can say that the Norton (Windows Control
panel/ Programs) Uninstaller ( as provided in the machines I've seen here)
is sufficient unto the need, in Win 7.
If you feel the need for belt-and-braces, then by all means also use the
Norton removal Tool (SymNRT.exe) - Google for it, because they have a
nasty habit of changing links without leaving forwarding behind!

The number of pings to your IP probably hasn't changed - merely your
perception of them:)

A NAT firewall will stop 99.x% of unauthorised pings from hitting your
network - so your software firewall never gets to see them (unless you
play silly wotsits with the NAT).



--
Noel Paton
CrashFixPC

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
www.crashfixpc.co.uk
"Rockytsquirrel" wrote in message
...
Greetings Mike,
your right I'm sure, I use the "tiny firewall" on the old ME's that
plus the router stopped all the problems I had been having when
directly connected..
(back in 2006 I had over 2000 + daily pings from somewhere in
china..)

My next project will be to get the link for the total removal of
nortons..
It seem I head that the symantec site had such a tool..

tks again,
RTS


"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Correct, there is a way to allow LAN through the NORTON Firewall,
but I'll need to research the IP addresses to all the other machines
and then their individual names or ID's..
Currently I do not know that information.

That's totally ridiculous. Norton should be telling out what the
devices are and asking whether you wish to access them or not rather
than you having to establish the IPs and names of the devices you want
to connect to. If for some reason you feel the need for a third party
firewall you can do very much better than use the insane offering from
Symantec you have installed at present. Personally I use the XP, Vista
or Win 7 firewalls and never used a firewall with Win Me, with my
router's SPI & NAT firewall being my primary line of defence.
--
Mike Maltby



Rockytsquirrel wrote:

Greetings Mike,
Correct, there is a way to allow LAN through the NORTON Firewall,
but I'll need to research the IP addresses to all the other machines
and then their individual names or ID's..
Currently I do not know that information. It then is added to an
exception page in the NORTONS firewall setup.
However, I was able to access the ME machine I wanted by shutting down
the NORTON firewall.
That 1 hour access saved me 4 hours of copy and paste via flash
drive.. ;-)

Tks to all who offered help and advice.
I think I'm beginning to get a feel for this win 7..
( and even the NORTONS which has a grip on it..) LOL

networking ME to win 7 via router
 

Mike M wrote:
Shane,

I didn't say I didn't use a firewall other than when running Win Me, just
that I feel no need to add a third party firewall to the offerings included
as part of more recent Windows operating systems. As for router firewalls
being compromised; are you referring to the weak and predictable passwords
often used on routers, especially those supplied by many ISPs? Such weak
passwords then permitting otherwise unauthorised users to access the router
from the internet and configure it to suit their wishes.
--
Mike


Routers will sometimes have security flaws that come up, that people
should make sure they have updated firmware. As far as people keeping
the default passwords, only need to set up everything securely when
you set it up and basically forget about it, better than leaving it
unnoticed and secured than leaving it totally unsecured and unnoticed.

networking ME to win 7 via router
 

Be interesting to see this get through.

networking ME to win 7 via router
 

Different version.

Mike M wrote:
Shane,

I didn't say I didn't use a firewall other than when running Win Me,
just that I feel no need to add a third party firewall to the
offerings included as part of more recent Windows operating systems. As
for router firewalls being compromised; are you referring to the
weak and predictable passwords often used on routers, especially
those supplied by many ISPs? Such weak passwords then permitting
otherwise unauthorised users to access the router from the internet
and configure it to suit their wishes.
Mike,

offering from Symantec you have installed at present. Personally I
use the XP, Vista or Win 7 firewalls and never used a firewall with
Win Me, with my router's SPI & NAT firewall being my primary line of
defence.

I feel I should argue that for someone who really understands
routers, like yourself, fair enough, but for the majority these days
they still need a software firewall i). because enough router
firewalls have been compromised this last year that with certain
models it would be the equivalent of users showing lack of caution
online because they believe their antivirus program stops *all*
viruses, and ii). because you need one to tell you what, if anything,
is trying to phone home.
I must be right, because this piece of salmon is done to perfection!
QED!

networking ME to win 7 via router
 

well - it made it! (Will a response get through, though?)

--
Noel Paton
CrashFixPC

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
www.crashfixpc.co.uk
"Shane" wrote in message
...
Be interesting to see this get through.

networking ME to win 7 via router
 

But the original I posted an hour or two back hasn't, nor has the identical
copy I posted a few minutes ago.

Noel Paton wrote:
well - it made it! (Will a response get through, though?)


Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
www.crashfixpc.co.uk
"Shane" wrote in message
...
Be interesting to see this get through.

networking ME to win 7 via router
 

I've posted it again as a new post. One wonders if it is being stopped as
spam due to the several links to articles at The Register.

If so...well we already established many months ago that this group is
filtered by incompetents. Guess nothing has changed.

Shane


Noel Paton wrote:
well - it made it! (Will a response get through, though?)


Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
www.crashfixpc.co.uk
"Shane" wrote in message
...
Be interesting to see this get through.