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Without analysing further, it's safe to say it's supposedly filtering spam
isn't it. Like a really, really lazy approach to rule making. Does this reflect the priority almost bordering on contempt they have for the legacy groups? Or are the still supported system groups also so badly filtered? Shane Mike M wrote: Mike M wrote: Yes, No 4 or 4a. however 4a1, 4a2 and 4a3 have all appeared. And lo & behold 4a1 has now been deleted! Mike |
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Shane facetious'r'.us wrote:
Without analysing further, it's safe to say it's supposedly filtering spam isn't it. Like a really, really lazy approach to rule making. Does this reflect the priority almost bordering on contempt they have for the legacy groups? Or are the still supported system groups also so badly filtered? Put simply, those involved at MS simply don't give a damn about those wishing to use nntp. Support's long since been flushed down the tubes. All that MS now cares about is Bing Bong, Windows Dead and how many boxes/licenses they can flog. End users no longer feature in their plans. As for rule making, those involved know little about rule making and expressions and when I last had dealings with them were simply filtering on specific character strings which is why the spammers found it so easy to return time and time again although I have to admit that MS do seem to have managed to reduce spam nowadays to a trickle. -- Mike |
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Mike M wrote:
Put simply, those involved at MS simply don't give a damn about those wishing to use nntp. What exactly is wrong with you people? News flash: You don't need to point your news reader to microsoft.com in order to read and post to these microsoft.public.what-ever newsgroups. Try nntp.aioe.org instead. When microsoft removes windowsme and win98 newsgroups from their server, those groups will still be active and available on the rest of the world's usenet servers. And you people will be left in the dark. |
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You really are completely clueless aren't you?
Posting to the MS nntp servers is necessary for two reasons: a) To verify that the MS servers are incorrectly filtering valid posts and to get that fixed if possible, b) To ensure that those who use the MS servers are able to read all messages posted to this NG. May I suggest you go back to playing with your dolls and in future only post here if and when you have something useful to contribute. MM Totally Clueless 98 Guy wrote: Mike M wrote: Put simply, those involved at MS simply don't give a damn about those wishing to use nntp. What exactly is wrong with you people? News flash: You don't need to point your news reader to microsoft.com in order to read and post to these microsoft.public.what-ever newsgroups. Try nntp.aioe.org instead. When microsoft removes windowsme and win98 newsgroups from their server, those groups will still be active and available on the rest of the world's usenet servers. And you people will be left in the dark. |
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Mike M top-poasted:
You really are completely clueless aren't you? You're the clueless one, and I'll explain why. Posting to the MS nntp servers is necessary for two reasons: a) To verify that the MS servers are incorrectly filtering valid posts and to get that fixed if possible, You have the impression that the only place or the only server where you can read and post messages to this newsgroun is hosted by Microsoft, and that you must spend your energy to do what it takes so that server operates correctly. The reality is that microsoft operates their NNTP server on an absentee basis. It has never been shown (not at least during the past 10 years) that any resonsible person can be reached at micrsofot who administers their server or who is in a position to change, improve, fix how they operate. And microsoft is, by far, NOT the only server where you can read and post messages to this newsgroup. Microsoft does not control these microsoft.* newsgroups, or act in any way as a central organizer, aggregator, or maintainer of them. I am making this post via the aioe.org server, and it is one of many usener PEERS, just as microsoft's servers are also PEERS. This post that I'm making will be transmitted between usenet peering servers, and will eventually reach microsoft's server where it will be accepted and made available to those that read messages directly from the microsoft server. If the rules on the microsoft server are faulty or applied incorrectly, such that the MS server rejects my post, that rejection has no effect on whether or not other servers around the world will carry my post (they almost certainly will, with no regard or knowledge if microsoft rejected it). b) To ensure that those who use the MS servers are able to read all messages posted to this NG. It is more pragmatic and practical to simply change your news server rather than make a futile attempt to engage some anonymous microsoft sys-admin and get them to realize there is a problem with how they are administering their servers and get them to fix it. May I suggest you go back to playing with your dolls and in future only post here if and when you have something useful to contribute. You may suggest it, but others reading this will realize that I am making a logical and effective recommendation as to how to handle this problem that you and others are experiencing, and that your name calling and child-like language reflects a juvenille intellect and inability to discuss technical issues like an adult. |
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You really are stupid and simply do not have a clue and know nothing about
how Microsoft manage their nntp servers. For example I can easily demonstrate that: It has never been shown (not at least during the past 10 years) that any resonsible person can be reached at micrsofot who administers their server or who is in a position to change, Is untrue but then again why waste my time on an idiot such as yourself who demonstrably knows little and has nothing to contribute. In other words is a total waste of space and air. If I simply want to have a conversation with Shane all I need do is e-mail him or better pick up the phone but then again, you're too stupid to even understand that. PLONK MM 98 Guy wrote: Mike M top-poasted: You really are completely clueless aren't you? You're the clueless one, and I'll explain why. Posting to the MS nntp servers is necessary for two reasons: a) To verify that the MS servers are incorrectly filtering valid posts and to get that fixed if possible, You have the impression that the only place or the only server where you can read and post messages to this newsgroun is hosted by Microsoft, and that you must spend your energy to do what it takes so that server operates correctly. The reality is that microsoft operates their NNTP server on an absentee basis. It has never been shown (not at least during the past 10 years) that any resonsible person can be reached at micrsofot who administers their server or who is in a position to change, improve, fix how they operate. And microsoft is, by far, NOT the only server where you can read and post messages to this newsgroup. Microsoft does not control these microsoft.* newsgroups, or act in any way as a central organizer, aggregator, or maintainer of them. I am making this post via the aioe.org server, and it is one of many usener PEERS, just as microsoft's servers are also PEERS. This post that I'm making will be transmitted between usenet peering servers, and will eventually reach microsoft's server where it will be accepted and made available to those that read messages directly from the microsoft server. If the rules on the microsoft server are faulty or applied incorrectly, such that the MS server rejects my post, that rejection has no effect on whether or not other servers around the world will carry my post (they almost certainly will, with no regard or knowledge if microsoft rejected it). b) To ensure that those who use the MS servers are able to read all messages posted to this NG. It is more pragmatic and practical to simply change your news server rather than make a futile attempt to engage some anonymous microsoft sys-admin and get them to realize there is a problem with how they are administering their servers and get them to fix it. May I suggest you go back to playing with your dolls and in future only post here if and when you have something useful to contribute. You may suggest it, but others reading this will realize that I am making a logical and effective recommendation as to how to handle this problem that you and others are experiencing, and that your name calling and child-like language reflects a juvenille intellect and inability to discuss technical issues like an adult. |
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Full-Quoter Mike M top-poasted:
You really are stupid and simply do not have a clue and know nothing about how Microsoft manage their nntp servers. I never said that I knew *how* microsoft manages their news servers - only that they do it poorly - if at all. A significant amount of spam that is posted to the microsoft.public hierarchy comes directly via microsoft's servers, because the microsoft sys-admins have not implimented simple filters that detect when the same user is posting dozens or hundreds of messages- one to each and every microsoft.public newsgroup over a short period of time. For example I can easily demonstrate that: It has never been shown (not at least during the past 10 years) that any resonsible person can be reached at micrsofot who administers their server or who is in a position to change, Is untrue but then again why waste my time Please post a URL showing that a real microsoft sys-admin responded in a comment or complaint or at least engaged in a discussion about the microsoft NNTP servers. If it was worth your time to assert that such a post exists, it's certainly worth your time to prove the credibility of the statements you post. yourself who demonstrably knows little and has nothing to contribute. How exactly did I demonstrate that I "know little"? I said that there is a history of inattention and inactivity when it comes to how microsoft sys-admins administer and operate their server. You can prove me wrong by posting evidence to the contrary. I said that Microsoft (or their servers) plays no role in the operation of these newsgroups on a world-wide basis. You have said nothing specifically about that statement, so either you are unsure of that fact or you agree with it. I am contributing to solving this problem by offering an effective and simple solution (use a different NNTP server). You offer no viable solution. In other words is a total waste of space and air. You are the one spouting hot-air here, not I. I am making concise statements that I assert are true, you rant like a child and say they are not true while offering nothing to back up your point of view. If I simply want to have a conversation with Shane all I need do is e-mail him or better pick up the phone but then again, you're too stupid to even understand that. Who is Shane? |
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Ha! ha! ...go play with his dolls! Priceless! You haven't lost your
edge Mike, give them trolls more of those well deserved gems! John Mike M wrote: You really are completely clueless aren't you? Posting to the MS nntp servers is necessary for two reasons: a) To verify that the MS servers are incorrectly filtering valid posts and to get that fixed if possible, b) To ensure that those who use the MS servers are able to read all messages posted to this NG. May I suggest you go back to playing with your dolls and in future only post here if and when you have something useful to contribute. MM Totally Clueless 98 Guy wrote: Mike M wrote: Put simply, those involved at MS simply don't give a damn about those wishing to use nntp. What exactly is wrong with you people? News flash: You don't need to point your news reader to microsoft.com in order to read and post to these microsoft.public.what-ever newsgroups. Try nntp.aioe.org instead. When microsoft removes windowsme and win98 newsgroups from their server, those groups will still be active and available on the rest of the world's usenet servers. And you people will be left in the dark. |
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YO JJ.....haven't seen you for a long time, and I was giggling over this
FOOL daring to tell Mike he didn't know what he was talking about........ROFL!! Mike........you were actually more polite than I would have been........I deleted that post in the interests of hanging on to a shred of ladylike behaviour, lol. JJ......With any kind of luck, heading to PEI this summer, but have to wait a bit for some medical tests, etc. However, we will probably fly into Charlottetown and not be down your way. Cheers.....Heather "John John - MVP" wrote in message ... Ha! ha! ...go play with his dolls! Priceless! You haven't lost your edge Mike, give them trolls more of those well deserved gems! John Mike M wrote: You really are completely clueless aren't you? Posting to the MS nntp servers is necessary for two reasons: a) To verify that the MS servers are incorrectly filtering valid posts and to get that fixed if possible, b) To ensure that those who use the MS servers are able to read all messages posted to this NG. May I suggest you go back to playing with your dolls and in future only post here if and when you have something useful to contribute. MM Totally Clueless 98 Guy wrote: Mike M wrote: Put simply, those involved at MS simply don't give a damn about those wishing to use nntp. What exactly is wrong with you people? News flash: You don't need to point your news reader to microsoft.com in order to read and post to these microsoft.public.what-ever newsgroups. Try nntp.aioe.org instead. When microsoft removes windowsme and win98 newsgroups from their server, those groups will still be active and available on the rest of the world's usenet servers. And you people will be left in the dark. |
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John John - MVP wrote:
Ha! ha! ...go play with his dolls! Priceless! You haven't lost your edge Mike, give them trolls more of those well deserved gems! My first reply was deleted from the MS servers but did propagate to UseNet. I've reported it below and double spaced the offensive word that caused it to be deleted. Thanks JJ, It's very rare for me to feel the need to Plonk someone and actually do it but on this o c c a s i o n I have done so with some pleasure. :-) BTW I've now determined two or three very simple and innocuous English language character strings that when posted to the MS nntp servers result in the post being deleted. Others such strings obviously exist but these are three strings that can and do appear in normal polite text. -- Mike |
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"reported below" should have read "reposted below"
MM Mike M wrote: John John - MVP wrote: Ha! ha! ...go play with his dolls! Priceless! You haven't lost your edge Mike, give them trolls more of those well deserved gems! My first reply was deleted from the MS servers but did propagate to UseNet. I've reported it below and double spaced the offensive word that caused it to be deleted. Thanks JJ, It's very rare for me to feel the need to Plonk someone and actually do it but on this o c c a s i o n I have done so with some pleasure. :-) BTW I've now determined two or three very simple and innocuous English language character strings that when posted to the MS nntp servers result in the post being deleted. Others such strings obviously exist but these are three strings that can and do appear in normal polite text. |
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Heather wrote:
YO JJ.....haven't seen you for a long time, and I was giggling over this FOOL daring to tell Mike he didn't know what he was talking about........ROFL!! Yes, I too was having a chuckle when I saw this troll lining himself up, I thought to myself, "..this shouldn't last too long, well probably see a knock out punch halfway through round one..." John |
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Mike M wrote:
John John - MVP wrote: Ha! ha! ...go play with his dolls! Priceless! You haven't lost your edge Mike, give them trolls more of those well deserved gems! My first reply was deleted from the MS servers but did propagate to UseNet. I've reported it below and double spaced the offensive word that caused it to be deleted. Thanks JJ, It's very rare for me to feel the need to Plonk someone and actually do it but on this o c c a s i o n I have done so with some pleasure. :-) BTW I've now determined two or three very simple and innocuous English language character strings that when posted to the MS nntp servers result in the post being deleted. Others such strings obviously exist but these are three strings that can and do appear in normal polite text. Yes, some *very* polite posters report that for reasons unknown some of their posts seem to be filtered. MS might have gone a bit overboard on the filter... yet you have to wonder why they can't stop a handful of polluting trolls from ruining the Vista groups... go figure. John |
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John John - MVP wrote:
Ha! ha! ...go play with his dolls! Priceless! Actually - pretty lame. You haven't lost your edge Mike, give them trolls more of those well deserved gems! Oh yes, please hurt me some more. What a joke you people are. It's very rare for me to feel the need to Plonk someone Oh, was I plonked? I didn't notice. Maybe that's because only old pharts do plonking. but on this o c c a s i o n What's the matter? Is the nntp server that you use run by morons and idiots? I have done so with some pleasure. :-) Plonking gives you pleasure? Here. I plonk you. Did that feel good? Yes, some *very* polite posters report that for reasons unknown some of their posts seem to be filtered. MS might have gone a bit overboard on the filter... Because the Microsoft usenet servers are run by monkeys. yet you have to wonder why they can't stop a handful of polluting trolls from ruining the Vista groups... go figure. Because Microsoft doesn't give a rat's ass about their usenet servers. That's why they have no Windows 7 newsgroups. They are removing groups from their server, and probably in a year they will remove all win-9x/me groups, leaving you people out in the cold because you're too stubborn to use a real NNTP server. |
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Still waiting for you to reply to this, Mike M.
Full-Quoter Mike M top-poasted: You really are stupid and simply do not have a clue and know nothing about how Microsoft manage their nntp servers. I never said that I knew *how* microsoft manages their news servers - only that they do it poorly - if at all. A significant amount of spam that is posted to the microsoft.public hierarchy comes directly via microsoft's servers, because the microsoft sys-admins have not implimented simple filters that detect when the same user is posting dozens or hundreds of messages- one to each and every microsoft.public newsgroup over a short period of time. For example I can easily demonstrate that: It has never been shown (not at least during the past 10 years) that any resonsible person can be reached at micrsofot who administers their server or who is in a position to change, Is untrue but then again why waste my time Please post a URL showing that a real microsoft sys-admin responded in a comment or complaint or at least engaged in a discussion about the microsoft NNTP servers. If it was worth your time to assert that such a post exists, it's certainly worth your time to prove the credibility of the statements you post. yourself who demonstrably knows little and has nothing to contribute. How exactly did I demonstrate that I "know little"? I said that there is a history of inattention and inactivity when it comes to how microsoft sys-admins administer and operate their server. You can prove me wrong by posting evidence to the contrary. I said that Microsoft (or their servers) plays no role in the operation of these newsgroups on a world-wide basis. You have said nothing specifically about that statement, so either you are unsure of that fact or you agree with it. I am contributing to solving this problem by offering an effective and simple solution (use a different NNTP server). You offer no viable solution. In other words is a total waste of space and air. You are the one spouting hot-air here, not I. I am making concise statements that I assert are true, you rant like a child and say they are not true while offering nothing to back up your point of view. If I simply want to have a conversation with Shane all I need do is e-mail him or better pick up the phone but then again, you're too stupid to even understand that. Who is Shane? |
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98 Guy wrote:
Actually - pretty lame. Yes, we all agree that you are pretty lame... |
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-- Joan Archer http://crossstitcher.webs.com/ "John John - MVP" wrote in message ... 98 Guy wrote: Actually - pretty lame. Yes, we all agree that you are pretty lame... |
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98 Guy wrote:
How's microsoft-server fix job going Mike? Or are you still being censored? How's "shane"? Did you get him to fix the problem yet? Got a nice fan-club going here - but they're not too sophisticated. They've got a remarkably simple sense of humor - you should work on that. Doesn't reflect well on you. Still waiting for you to reply to this Mike: You really are stupid and simply do not have a clue and know nothing about how Microsoft manage their nntp servers. I never said that I knew *how* microsoft manages their news servers - only that they do it poorly - if at all. A significant amount of spam that is posted to the microsoft.public hierarchy comes directly via microsoft's servers, because the microsoft sys-admins have not implimented simple filters that detect when the same user is posting dozens or hundreds of messages- one to each and every microsoft.public newsgroup over a short period of time. For example I can easily demonstrate that: It has never been shown (not at least during the past 10 years) that any resonsible person can be reached at micrsofot who administers their server or who is in a position to change, Is untrue but then again why waste my time Please post a URL showing that a real microsoft sys-admin responded in a comment or complaint or at least engaged in a discussion about the microsoft NNTP servers. If it was worth your time to assert that such a post exists, it's certainly worth your time to prove the credibility of the statements you post. yourself who demonstrably knows little and has nothing to contribute. How exactly did I demonstrate that I "know little"? I said that there is a history of inattention and inactivity when it comes to how microsoft sys-admins administer and operate their server. You can prove me wrong by posting evidence to the contrary. I said that Microsoft (or their servers) plays no role in the operation of these newsgroups on a world-wide basis. You have said nothing specifically about that statement, so either you are unsure of that fact or you agree with it. I am contributing to solving this problem by offering an effective and simple solution (use a different NNTP server). You offer no viable solution. In other words is a total waste of space and air. You are the one spouting hot-air here, not I. I am making concise statements that I assert are true, you rant like a child and say they are not true while offering nothing to back up your point of view. If I simply want to have a conversation with Shane all I need do is e-mail him or better pick up the phone but then again, you're too stupid to even understand that. Who is Shane? |
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From: "98 Guy"
| 98 Guy wrote: | How's microsoft-server fix job going Mike? Or are you still being | censored? plonk -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp |
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David & others reading this thread including Shane,
It appears that on some occasions Microsoft occasionally listen to their users and make the occasional change to their newsgroup filters. So on this occasion it is Mike M 1, doll playing '98 child -999. Mike M David H. Lipman wrote: From: "98 Guy" 98 Guy wrote: How's microsoft-server fix job going Mike? Or are you still being censored? plonk |
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Well, one way or another that's good news, and ROFL.
Shane Mike M wrote: David & others reading this thread including Shane, It appears that on some occasions Microsoft occasionally listen to their users and make the occasional change to their newsgroup filters. So on this occasion it is Mike M 1, doll playing '98 child -999. Mike M David H. Lipman wrote: From: "98 Guy" 98 Guy wrote: How's microsoft-server fix job going Mike? Or are you still being censored? plonk |
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Shane facetious'r'.us wrote:
Well, one way or another that's good news, and ROFL. I never properly finished testing your other rejected posts but to be honest I don't seem able to drum up any enthusiasm to do so however if you find that any more of your posts go missing could you please drop me a note and I'll see if I can get the problem corrected. Mike - who's feeling particularly cold at the moment. Which crazy came up with the notion that it's now Spring in the northern hemisphere? |
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From: "Shane" facetious'r'.us
| Well, one way or another that's good news, and ROFL. | Shane I still wish J. Eddy was back in the saddle again. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp |
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From: "Mike M"
| Shane facetious'r'.us wrote: Well, one way or another that's good news, and ROFL. | I never properly finished testing your other rejected posts but to be honest | I don't seem able to drum up any enthusiasm to do so however if you find | that any more of your posts go missing could you please drop me a note and | I'll see if I can get the problem corrected. | Mike - who's feeling particularly cold at the moment. Which crazy came up | with the notion that it's now Spring in the northern hemisphere? Around here we are ready to build an Ark ! -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp |
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David H. Lipman wrote:
I still wish J. Eddy was back in the saddle again. You and me both. There would be far less stupid errors such as this and when they did happen would be fixed much quicker. Mike |
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From: "Mike M"
| David H. Lipman wrote: I still wish J. Eddy was back in the saddle again. | You and me both. There would be far less stupid errors such as this and | when they did happen would be fixed much quicker. | Mike /* Y E S ! */ -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp |
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Mike M wrote:
Shane facetious'r'.us wrote: Well, one way or another that's good news, and ROFL. I never properly finished testing your other rejected posts but to be honest I don't seem able to drum up any enthusiasm to do so however if you find that any more of your posts go missing could you please drop me a note and I'll see if I can get the problem corrected. Sure thing Mike. Mike - who's feeling particularly cold at the moment. Which crazy came up with the notion that it's now Spring in the northern hemisphere? Just yesterday I was thinking - as I was walking to town doing up my coat and putting my wooly hat on, then undoing and removing half a minute later, then putting covering up again then uncovering again because when it isn't showering it is too warm for all that gear - that it really is spring at last! Then today they were predicting snow on the higher peaks and briefly it looked like it was snowing here (then I saw that it was more like hail or sleet bouncing off the gardener's head). I just finished the last of the fuel and do not plan on getting more before autumn no matter what happens next! Shane |
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Spring what's that, oh yes it's supposed to be warmer isn't it we've had it
all today, rain, wind, snow and sunshine it can't make it's da** mind up what it's supposed to do. eg -- Joan Archer http://crossstitcher.webs.com/ "Mike M" wrote in message ... Shane facetious'r'.us wrote: Well, one way or another that's good news, and ROFL. I never properly finished testing your other rejected posts but to be honest I don't seem able to drum up any enthusiasm to do so however if you find that any more of your posts go missing could you please drop me a note and I'll see if I can get the problem corrected. Mike - who's feeling particularly cold at the moment. Which crazy came up with the notion that it's now Spring in the northern hemisphere? |
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