sound problems
 

Hi out there

I am having problems with sound. Each time I boot up, one of three things
will happen:-
1 No problem, sound ok (sometimes after a while sound will degenerate thro'
2 to 3 (below)
2 Distorted sound
3 No sound. (these last two start right from the opening Windows start-up
chime)

I have a Creative SoundBlaster PCI 128 (WDM) OEM sound card which I believe
is hard wired onto the mother board and is about 3 1/2 years old supplied
with a Time Computers machine.

Question:-
1 Can the card be replaced by a PCI card and the original be permanently
disabled? (simply "removing" in control panel reinstalls on next boot with
no improvement) as this is probably the cheapest solution

I am convinced it is the card as monitoring thro' the line out socket gives
me the same effects.

Does anyone out there have any advice?

Thanks in advance

Delboy

Delboy wrote:
Hi out there
Howdy.

I am having problems with sound. Each time I boot up, one of three things
will happen:-
1 No problem, sound ok (sometimes after a while sound will degenerate thro'
2 to 3 (below)
2 Distorted sound
3 No sound. (these last two start right from the opening Windows start-up
chime)

I have a Creative SoundBlaster PCI 128 (WDM) OEM sound card which I believe
is hard wired onto the mother board and is about 3 1/2 years old supplied
with a Time Computers machine.

Not "hard wired", Creative doesn't license their technology that way;
most likely a PCI card.


Question:-
1 Can the card be replaced by a PCI card and the original be permanently
disabled?

You can just yank it and put a newer one in.

(simply "removing" in control panel reinstalls on next boot with
no improvement)

You can use"hardware profiles" and Disable the devices. (of course now
you have no sound at all, and it's a non-sequitur since I'm sure its a
removable card anyways)

as this is probably the cheapest solution

I am convinced it is the card as monitoring thro' the line out socket gives
me the same effects.

How do you normally monitor it?


Does anyone out there have any advice?

*non* WDM drivers. (no offence against WDM per se)... you may have to
root through your original Creative CD (if you have one) or go to their
site and download a set.


Rick

Hi Rick

Thanks for the feedback.

Sound is normally monitored (listened) via Time supplied OEM desktop
speakers direct or thro' h/phones from the h/phone socket on the speaker,
but sometimes I record tapes from the line out jack to a cassette deck. (get
the same sound/no sound as via the speakers, so it's not the built in amp in
the speakers) Also if sound is dead or dying, I cannot use Creative Recorder
from mic, line in or stereo mix sources.

What does WDM mean anyway, is it a stripped down card and/or drivers or
what? (simple please, I am a bear of little brain)
Do you think it might be a driver problem?

Why I thought the card might be hard wired was that when I installed an
ethernet card, the sound card was not in one of the expansion slots (as I
recall, but will take the back off to double check)

Does any of this change your thoughts?

Will get back when I have taken the back off

Delboy

"Rick T" wrote in message
...
Delboy wrote:
Hi out there
Howdy.

I am having problems with sound. Each time I boot up, one of three
things
will happen:-
1 No problem, sound ok (sometimes after a while sound will degenerate
thro'
2 to 3 (below)
2 Distorted sound
3 No sound. (these last two start right from the opening Windows
start-up
chime)

I have a Creative SoundBlaster PCI 128 (WDM) OEM sound card which I
believe
is hard wired onto the mother board and is about 3 1/2 years old
supplied
with a Time Computers machine.

Not "hard wired", Creative doesn't license their technology that way;
most likely a PCI card.


Question:-
1 Can the card be replaced by a PCI card and the original be permanently
disabled?

You can just yank it and put a newer one in.

(simply "removing" in control panel reinstalls on next boot with
no improvement)

You can use"hardware profiles" and Disable the devices. (of course now
you have no sound at all, and it's a non-sequitur since I'm sure its a
removable card anyways)

as this is probably the cheapest solution

I am convinced it is the card as monitoring thro' the line out socket
gives
me the same effects.

How do you normally monitor it?


Does anyone out there have any advice?

*non* WDM drivers. (no offence against WDM per se)... you may have to
root through your original Creative CD (if you have one) or go to their
site and download a set.


Rick

WDM = Windows Driver Model

If in the UK, try
http://uk.europe.creative.com/suppor...ds/welcome.asp
and 'select your product' (Sound Blaster - Others - Sound Blaster (R) PCI
128), then your OS (WinMe) and Language.

Note the 1st Driver, under Overview - Show Details, there is a reference to
distortion issues.

Have a play with the various drivers on offer. But I would suggest you
always 'Remove' the old (previous) drivers first using Device Manager in
Safe Mode.

Mart




"Delboy" wrote in message
...
Hi Rick

Thanks for the feedback.

Sound is normally monitored (listened) via Time supplied OEM desktop
speakers direct or thro' h/phones from the h/phone socket on the speaker,
but sometimes I record tapes from the line out jack to a cassette deck.
(get
the same sound/no sound as via the speakers, so it's not the built in amp
in
the speakers) Also if sound is dead or dying, I cannot use Creative
Recorder
from mic, line in or stereo mix sources.

What does WDM mean anyway, is it a stripped down card and/or drivers or
what? (simple please, I am a bear of little brain)
Do you think it might be a driver problem?

Why I thought the card might be hard wired was that when I installed an
ethernet card, the sound card was not in one of the expansion slots (as I
recall, but will take the back off to double check)

Does any of this change your thoughts?

Will get back when I have taken the back off

Delboy

"Rick T" wrote in message
...
Delboy wrote:
Hi out there
Howdy.

I am having problems with sound. Each time I boot up, one of three
things
will happen:-
1 No problem, sound ok (sometimes after a while sound will degenerate
thro'
2 to 3 (below)
2 Distorted sound
3 No sound. (these last two start right from the opening Windows
start-up
chime)

I have a Creative SoundBlaster PCI 128 (WDM) OEM sound card which I
believe
is hard wired onto the mother board and is about 3 1/2 years old
supplied
with a Time Computers machine.

Not "hard wired", Creative doesn't license their technology that way;
most likely a PCI card.


Question:-
1 Can the card be replaced by a PCI card and the original be
permanently
disabled?

You can just yank it and put a newer one in.

(simply "removing" in control panel reinstalls on next boot with
no improvement)

You can use"hardware profiles" and Disable the devices. (of course now
you have no sound at all, and it's a non-sequitur since I'm sure its a
removable card anyways)

as this is probably the cheapest solution

I am convinced it is the card as monitoring thro' the line out socket
gives
me the same effects.

How do you normally monitor it?


Does anyone out there have any advice?

*non* WDM drivers. (no offence against WDM per se)... you may have to
root through your original Creative CD (if you have one) or go to their
site and download a set.


Rick

Thanks Mart

Will give this a whirl as well. Will get back to the newsgroup with any
feedback (neg or pos)

Cheers all

Delboy

"Mart" wrote in message
...
WDM = Windows Driver Model

If in the UK, try
http://uk.europe.creative.com/suppor...ds/welcome.asp
and 'select your product' (Sound Blaster - Others - Sound Blaster (R) PCI
128), then your OS (WinMe) and Language.

Note the 1st Driver, under Overview - Show Details, there is a reference
to
distortion issues.

Have a play with the various drivers on offer. But I would suggest you
always 'Remove' the old (previous) drivers first using Device Manager in
Safe Mode.

Mart




"Delboy" wrote in message
...
Hi Rick

Thanks for the feedback.

Sound is normally monitored (listened) via Time supplied OEM desktop
speakers direct or thro' h/phones from the h/phone socket on the
speaker,
but sometimes I record tapes from the line out jack to a cassette deck.
(get
the same sound/no sound as via the speakers, so it's not the built in
amp
in
the speakers) Also if sound is dead or dying, I cannot use Creative
Recorder
from mic, line in or stereo mix sources.

What does WDM mean anyway, is it a stripped down card and/or drivers or
what? (simple please, I am a bear of little brain)
Do you think it might be a driver problem?

Why I thought the card might be hard wired was that when I installed an
ethernet card, the sound card was not in one of the expansion slots (as
I
recall, but will take the back off to double check)

Does any of this change your thoughts?

Will get back when I have taken the back off

Delboy

"Rick T" wrote in message
...
Delboy wrote:
Hi out there
Howdy.

I am having problems with sound. Each time I boot up, one of three
things
will happen:-
1 No problem, sound ok (sometimes after a while sound will degenerate
thro'
2 to 3 (below)
2 Distorted sound
3 No sound. (these last two start right from the opening Windows
start-up
chime)

I have a Creative SoundBlaster PCI 128 (WDM) OEM sound card which I
believe
is hard wired onto the mother board and is about 3 1/2 years old
supplied
with a Time Computers machine.

Not "hard wired", Creative doesn't license their technology that way;
most likely a PCI card.


Question:-
1 Can the card be replaced by a PCI card and the original be
permanently
disabled?

You can just yank it and put a newer one in.

(simply "removing" in control panel reinstalls on next boot with
no improvement)

You can use"hardware profiles" and Disable the devices. (of course now
you have no sound at all, and it's a non-sequitur since I'm sure its a
removable card anyways)

as this is probably the cheapest solution

I am convinced it is the card as monitoring thro' the line out socket
gives
me the same effects.

How do you normally monitor it?


Does anyone out there have any advice?

*non* WDM drivers. (no offence against WDM per se)... you may have to
root through your original Creative CD (if you have one) or go to their
site and download a set.


Rick

H Dellboy,

I too had a SoundBlaster PCI128 card which behaved erratically. After much
hair pulling and gnashing of teeth, it turned out to be the Norton AV Ver 4 I
was using. It was a Win95/98 version which simply was NOT compatible with
WinME. WinME is NOT Win9x.
Are you perchance using Norton AV (any version)? Try disabling it to see if
that fixes your sound.

Good Luck.
BarryG

"Delboy" wrote:

Thanks Mart

Will give this a whirl as well. Will get back to the newsgroup with any
feedback (neg or pos)

Cheers all

Delboy

"Mart" wrote in message
...
WDM = Windows Driver Model

If in the UK, try
http://uk.europe.creative.com/suppor...ds/welcome.asp
and 'select your product' (Sound Blaster - Others - Sound Blaster (R) PCI
128), then your OS (WinMe) and Language.

Note the 1st Driver, under Overview - Show Details, there is a reference
to
distortion issues.

Have a play with the various drivers on offer. But I would suggest you
always 'Remove' the old (previous) drivers first using Device Manager in
Safe Mode.

Mart




"Delboy" wrote in message
...
Hi Rick

Thanks for the feedback.

Sound is normally monitored (listened) via Time supplied OEM desktop
speakers direct or thro' h/phones from the h/phone socket on the
speaker,
but sometimes I record tapes from the line out jack to a cassette deck.
(get
the same sound/no sound as via the speakers, so it's not the built in
amp
in
the speakers) Also if sound is dead or dying, I cannot use Creative
Recorder
from mic, line in or stereo mix sources.

What does WDM mean anyway, is it a stripped down card and/or drivers or
what? (simple please, I am a bear of little brain)
Do you think it might be a driver problem?

Why I thought the card might be hard wired was that when I installed an
ethernet card, the sound card was not in one of the expansion slots (as
I
recall, but will take the back off to double check)

Does any of this change your thoughts?

Will get back when I have taken the back off

Delboy

"Rick T" wrote in message
...
Delboy wrote:
Hi out there
Howdy.

I am having problems with sound. Each time I boot up, one of three
things
will happen:-
1 No problem, sound ok (sometimes after a while sound will degenerate
thro'
2 to 3 (below)
2 Distorted sound
3 No sound. (these last two start right from the opening Windows
start-up
chime)

I have a Creative SoundBlaster PCI 128 (WDM) OEM sound card which I
believe
is hard wired onto the mother board and is about 3 1/2 years old
supplied
with a Time Computers machine.

Not "hard wired", Creative doesn't license their technology that way;
most likely a PCI card.


Question:-
1 Can the card be replaced by a PCI card and the original be
permanently
disabled?

You can just yank it and put a newer one in.

(simply "removing" in control panel reinstalls on next boot with
no improvement)

You can use"hardware profiles" and Disable the devices. (of course now
you have no sound at all, and it's a non-sequitur since I'm sure its a
removable card anyways)

as this is probably the cheapest solution

I am convinced it is the card as monitoring thro' the line out socket
gives
me the same effects.

How do you normally monitor it?


Does anyone out there have any advice?

*non* WDM drivers. (no offence against WDM per se)... you may have to
root through your original Creative CD (if you have one) or go to their
site and download a set.


Rick

BarryG wrote:
H Dellboy,

I too had a SoundBlaster PCI128 card which behaved erratically. After much
hair pulling and gnashing of teeth, it turned out to be the Norton AV Ver 4 I
was using. It was a Win95/98 version which simply was NOT compatible with
WinME. WinME is NOT Win9x.

? WinME is most definitely Win9x.

Was your Norton specifically for 95/98 or did it say 9x ?


Rick

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:49:32 GMT,Rick T
penned this whopper in
microsoft.public.windowsme.hardware

BarryG wrote:
H Dellboy,

I too had a SoundBlaster PCI128 card which behaved erratically. After
much hair pulling and gnashing of teeth, it turned out to be the
Norton AV Ver 4 I was using. It was a Win95/98 version which simply
was NOT compatible with WinME. WinME is NOT Win9x.

? WinME is most definitely Win9x.

Was your Norton specifically for 95/98 or did it say 9x ?


Rick


Rarely do I correct anyone hereabouts, but that version of NAV is not
compatible with ME, according to symantec. I had to dump system works on a
number of systems...and I wasn't foolish enough to use the quack.

--
"Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.

Mike

" ... but that version of NAV is not compatible with ME, according to
symantec."

Quite a few of use here believe, or nearly believe, that no Norton product
is compatible with WinME, ... NAV, in particular.
I use NAV Pro 2004 on this WinME test bed without any significant problem,
except the necessity to uninstall and reinstall it if I revert to a SR
checkpoint prior to the last signature update or NAV core sytem upgrade.

I cannnot, in good faith, recommend NAV to any casual WinME user anymore.
And others have had problems with Symantec's Live Update tool, used by many
of their products.

Eg., as I write, Process Explorer reports that five Symantec modules are
executing just to support NAV 2004. This is a significant footprint.
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"B.J.Honeycut" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:49:32 GMT,Rick T
penned this whopper in
microsoft.public.windowsme.hardware

BarryG wrote:
H Dellboy,

I too had a SoundBlaster PCI128 card which behaved erratically. After
much hair pulling and gnashing of teeth, it turned out to be the
Norton AV Ver 4 I was using. It was a Win95/98 version which simply
was NOT compatible with WinME. WinME is NOT Win9x.

? WinME is most definitely Win9x.

Was your Norton specifically for 95/98 or did it say 9x ?


Rick


Rarely do I correct anyone hereabouts, but that version of NAV is not
compatible with ME, according to symantec. I had to dump system works on a
number of systems...and I wasn't foolish enough to use the quack.

--
"Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.

Mike

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:20:21 GMT,"Jack E Martinelli"
penned this whopper in
microsoft.public.windowsme.hardware

" ... but that version of NAV is not compatible with ME, according to
symantec."

Quite a few of use here believe, or nearly believe, that no Norton
product is compatible with WinME, ... NAV, in particular.
I use NAV Pro 2004 on this WinME test bed without any significant
problem, except the necessity to uninstall and reinstall it if I
revert to a SR checkpoint prior to the last signature update or NAV
core sytem upgrade.

I cannnot, in good faith, recommend NAV to any casual WinME user
anymore. And others have had problems with Symantec's Live Update
tool, used by many of their products.

Eg., as I write, Process Explorer reports that five Symantec modules
are executing just to support NAV 2004. This is a significant
footprint.

That particular version is not. See he
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...852567ac006360
8c/82146342924c76428825693b005bdb05?OpenDocument&src= bar_sch_nam

--
"Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.

Mike