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J. P. Gilliver (John) October 16th 09 01:34 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 
On an elderly PC I help a friend with, where he's copying a lot of his
old LPs to CD, we use burn4free (though I think the problem is not with
burn4free itself).

More often than not, when hitting the "burn" button, it says "please
insert a disc" - even if there's one in. When, by fiddling, ejecting,
closing and reopening b4f, and so on, it finally decides that there _is_
a blank disc in, it does the burn fine.

While looking, it rattles the floppy drive before it "finds" the writer
(from within b4f, that is).

It isn't the _drive_ that's not being detected - that always shows up in
explorer; it's only the fact that there's a blank disc in it that is so
often missed.

Any ideas what's causing it, and what will improve it?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!

glee October 16th 09 03:26 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
On an elderly PC I help a friend with, where he's copying a lot of his
old LPs to CD, we use burn4free (though I think the problem is not
with burn4free itself).

More often than not, when hitting the "burn" button, it says "please
insert a disc" - even if there's one in. When, by fiddling, ejecting,
closing and reopening b4f, and so on, it finally decides that there
_is_ a blank disc in, it does the burn fine.

While looking, it rattles the floppy drive before it "finds" the
writer (from within b4f, that is).

It isn't the _drive_ that's not being detected - that always shows up
in explorer; it's only the fact that there's a blank disc in it that
is so often missed.

Any ideas what's causing it, and what will improve it?



Did you try cleaning the lens with an audio cleaning disc?
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/


glee October 16th 09 03:26 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
On an elderly PC I help a friend with, where he's copying a lot of his
old LPs to CD, we use burn4free (though I think the problem is not
with burn4free itself).

More often than not, when hitting the "burn" button, it says "please
insert a disc" - even if there's one in. When, by fiddling, ejecting,
closing and reopening b4f, and so on, it finally decides that there
_is_ a blank disc in, it does the burn fine.

While looking, it rattles the floppy drive before it "finds" the
writer (from within b4f, that is).

It isn't the _drive_ that's not being detected - that always shows up
in explorer; it's only the fact that there's a blank disc in it that
is so often missed.

Any ideas what's causing it, and what will improve it?



Did you try cleaning the lens with an audio cleaning disc?
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/


thanatoid October 16th 09 03:54 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 
"glee" wrote in
:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
in message ...
On an elderly PC I help a friend with, where he's copying
a lot of his old LPs to CD, we use burn4free (though I
think the problem is not with burn4free itself).

More often than not, when hitting the "burn" button, it
says "please insert a disc" - even if there's one in.
When, by fiddling, ejecting, closing and reopening b4f,
and so on, it finally decides that there _is_ a blank disc
in, it does the burn fine.

While looking, it rattles the floppy drive before it
"finds" the writer (from within b4f, that is).

It isn't the _drive_ that's not being detected - that
always shows up in explorer; it's only the fact that
there's a blank disc in it that is so often missed.

Any ideas what's causing it, and what will improve it?



Did you try cleaning the lens with an audio cleaning disc?


You can not be serious.

--
Lots of theoretical butchers are alleged and other bloody eyes
are suitable, but will Pam secure that?

thanatoid October 16th 09 03:54 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 
"glee" wrote in
:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
in message ...
On an elderly PC I help a friend with, where he's copying
a lot of his old LPs to CD, we use burn4free (though I
think the problem is not with burn4free itself).

More often than not, when hitting the "burn" button, it
says "please insert a disc" - even if there's one in.
When, by fiddling, ejecting, closing and reopening b4f,
and so on, it finally decides that there _is_ a blank disc
in, it does the burn fine.

While looking, it rattles the floppy drive before it
"finds" the writer (from within b4f, that is).

It isn't the _drive_ that's not being detected - that
always shows up in explorer; it's only the fact that
there's a blank disc in it that is so often missed.

Any ideas what's causing it, and what will improve it?



Did you try cleaning the lens with an audio cleaning disc?


You can not be serious.

--
Lots of theoretical butchers are alleged and other bloody eyes
are suitable, but will Pam secure that?

RobertVA October 16th 09 04:21 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 
thanatoid wrote:
"glee" wrote in
:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
in message ...
On an elderly PC I help a friend with, where he's copying
a lot of his old LPs to CD, we use burn4free (though I
think the problem is not with burn4free itself).

More often than not, when hitting the "burn" button, it
says "please insert a disc" - even if there's one in.
When, by fiddling, ejecting, closing and reopening b4f,
and so on, it finally decides that there _is_ a blank disc
in, it does the burn fine.

While looking, it rattles the floppy drive before it
"finds" the writer (from within b4f, that is).

It isn't the _drive_ that's not being detected - that
always shows up in explorer; it's only the fact that
there's a blank disc in it that is so often missed.

Any ideas what's causing it, and what will improve it?


Did you try cleaning the lens with an audio cleaning disc?


You can not be serious.


With all the air that cooling fans draw through tower systems? There
might even be contaminates in the air from cooking or tobacco smoking.

RobertVA October 16th 09 04:21 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 
thanatoid wrote:
"glee" wrote in
:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
in message ...
On an elderly PC I help a friend with, where he's copying
a lot of his old LPs to CD, we use burn4free (though I
think the problem is not with burn4free itself).

More often than not, when hitting the "burn" button, it
says "please insert a disc" - even if there's one in.
When, by fiddling, ejecting, closing and reopening b4f,
and so on, it finally decides that there _is_ a blank disc
in, it does the burn fine.

While looking, it rattles the floppy drive before it
"finds" the writer (from within b4f, that is).

It isn't the _drive_ that's not being detected - that
always shows up in explorer; it's only the fact that
there's a blank disc in it that is so often missed.

Any ideas what's causing it, and what will improve it?


Did you try cleaning the lens with an audio cleaning disc?


You can not be serious.


With all the air that cooling fans draw through tower systems? There
might even be contaminates in the air from cooking or tobacco smoking.

J. P. Gilliver (John) October 16th 09 07:59 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 
In message , RobertVA
writes:
thanatoid wrote:
"glee" wrote in
:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
in message ...

[]
It isn't the _drive_ that's not being detected - that
always shows up in explorer; it's only the fact that
there's a blank disc in it that is so often missed.

Any ideas what's causing it, and what will improve it?

Did you try cleaning the lens with an audio cleaning disc?

You can not be serious.


With all the air that cooling fans draw through tower systems? There
might even be contaminates in the air from cooking or tobacco smoking.


(The PC's in the spare bedroom, and I don't think John or his wife
smoke.) It's not a daft suggestion, which I may try, though I don't
_think_ it is likely to be the problem; if I put a data CD in, Explorer
usually sees it.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!

J. P. Gilliver (John) October 16th 09 07:59 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 
In message , RobertVA
writes:
thanatoid wrote:
"glee" wrote in
:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
in message ...

[]
It isn't the _drive_ that's not being detected - that
always shows up in explorer; it's only the fact that
there's a blank disc in it that is so often missed.

Any ideas what's causing it, and what will improve it?

Did you try cleaning the lens with an audio cleaning disc?

You can not be serious.


With all the air that cooling fans draw through tower systems? There
might even be contaminates in the air from cooking or tobacco smoking.


(The PC's in the spare bedroom, and I don't think John or his wife
smoke.) It's not a daft suggestion, which I may try, though I don't
_think_ it is likely to be the problem; if I put a data CD in, Explorer
usually sees it.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!

dadiOH[_3_] October 16th 09 12:52 PM

CD-R erratically detected
 
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
On an elderly PC I help a friend with, where he's copying a lot of his
old LPs to CD, we use burn4free (though I think the problem is not
with burn4free itself).

More often than not, when hitting the "burn" button, it says "please
insert a disc" - even if there's one in. When, by fiddling, ejecting,
closing and reopening b4f, and so on, it finally decides that there
_is_ a blank disc in, it does the burn fine.

While looking, it rattles the floppy drive before it "finds" the
writer (from within b4f, that is).

It isn't the _drive_ that's not being detected - that always shows up
in explorer; it's only the fact that there's a blank disc in it that
is so often missed.

Any ideas what's causing it, and what will improve it?


Try a different brand of CD blanks...Taiyo Yuden are among the best.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico




dadiOH[_3_] October 16th 09 12:52 PM

CD-R erratically detected
 
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
On an elderly PC I help a friend with, where he's copying a lot of his
old LPs to CD, we use burn4free (though I think the problem is not
with burn4free itself).

More often than not, when hitting the "burn" button, it says "please
insert a disc" - even if there's one in. When, by fiddling, ejecting,
closing and reopening b4f, and so on, it finally decides that there
_is_ a blank disc in, it does the burn fine.

While looking, it rattles the floppy drive before it "finds" the
writer (from within b4f, that is).

It isn't the _drive_ that's not being detected - that always shows up
in explorer; it's only the fact that there's a blank disc in it that
is so often missed.

Any ideas what's causing it, and what will improve it?


Try a different brand of CD blanks...Taiyo Yuden are among the best.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico




philo[_31_] October 16th 09 02:02 PM

CD-R erratically detected
 
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
On an elderly PC I help a friend with, where he's copying a lot of his
old LPs to CD, we use burn4free (though I think the problem is not with
burn4free itself).

More often than not, when hitting the "burn" button, it says "please
insert a disc" - even if there's one in. When, by fiddling, ejecting,
closing and reopening b4f, and so on, it finally decides that there _is_
a blank disc in, it does the burn fine.

While looking, it rattles the floppy drive before it "finds" the writer
(from within b4f, that is).

It isn't the _drive_ that's not being detected - that always shows up in
explorer; it's only the fact that there's a blank disc in it that is so
often missed.

Any ideas what's causing it, and what will improve it?



You said it's an elderly PC so I'm guess the cdrom is also elderly...
probably time for a new one

philo[_31_] October 16th 09 02:02 PM

CD-R erratically detected
 
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
On an elderly PC I help a friend with, where he's copying a lot of his
old LPs to CD, we use burn4free (though I think the problem is not with
burn4free itself).

More often than not, when hitting the "burn" button, it says "please
insert a disc" - even if there's one in. When, by fiddling, ejecting,
closing and reopening b4f, and so on, it finally decides that there _is_
a blank disc in, it does the burn fine.

While looking, it rattles the floppy drive before it "finds" the writer
(from within b4f, that is).

It isn't the _drive_ that's not being detected - that always shows up in
explorer; it's only the fact that there's a blank disc in it that is so
often missed.

Any ideas what's causing it, and what will improve it?



You said it's an elderly PC so I'm guess the cdrom is also elderly...
probably time for a new one

J. P. Gilliver (John) October 16th 09 10:14 PM

CD-R erratically detected
 
In message , Andy
writes:
[]
It isn't the _drive_ that's not being detected - that always shows up
in explorer; it's only the fact that there's a blank disc in it that
is so often missed.

Any ideas what's causing it, and what will improve it?


Try a different brand of CD blanks...Taiyo Yuden are among the best.


And once you've wasted a couple of quality blank CDs, throw the drive
away and spend $20-$30 to replace it.

It's ****ed. They don't last forever.

I think if it was the blanks, it wouldn't have been burning faultlessly
for the last few times we did manage to make it realise there was a disc
present. (And with cheap blanks, too.)

It's not that old - only a year or two; the elderly PC had a non-writing
drive (still there). It's actually a CD and DVD writer, as I couldn't
even find a CD-only one. It's not been used much.

I will try the cleaning disc suggestion, but I do think it's a system
configuration funny: as I mentioned earlier, when burn4free is told to
do a burn, it accesses the floppy drive before getting to the writer.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!

glee October 17th 09 03:21 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , RobertVA
writes:
thanatoid wrote:
"glee" wrote in
:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
in message ...

[]
It isn't the _drive_ that's not being detected - that
always shows up in explorer; it's only the fact that
there's a blank disc in it that is so often missed.

Any ideas what's causing it, and what will improve it?

Did you try cleaning the lens with an audio cleaning disc?
You can not be serious.


With all the air that cooling fans draw through tower systems? There
might even be contaminates in the air from cooking or tobacco smoking.


(The PC's in the spare bedroom, and I don't think John or his wife
smoke.) It's not a daft suggestion, which I may try, though I don't
_think_ it is likely to be the problem; if I put a data CD in,
Explorer usually sees it.


@than: Yes, I was serious....a cleaning disc has helped in almost
identical situations for me in the past, a number of times.

@J.P.: If you really do mean "Explorer usually sees it" rather than
"Explorer always sees it", then a cleaning disc may help.

The suggestion elsewhere in this thread about trying a different brand
of disc is also a good idea, especially if the issue is *only* with
burning discs, not reading them.

It's also possible the drive is just getting old and taking too long to
recognize the blank disc.

Have you tried another burning program?
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/


glee October 17th 09 03:21 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , RobertVA
writes:
thanatoid wrote:
"glee" wrote in
:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
in message ...

[]
It isn't the _drive_ that's not being detected - that
always shows up in explorer; it's only the fact that
there's a blank disc in it that is so often missed.

Any ideas what's causing it, and what will improve it?

Did you try cleaning the lens with an audio cleaning disc?
You can not be serious.


With all the air that cooling fans draw through tower systems? There
might even be contaminates in the air from cooking or tobacco smoking.


(The PC's in the spare bedroom, and I don't think John or his wife
smoke.) It's not a daft suggestion, which I may try, though I don't
_think_ it is likely to be the problem; if I put a data CD in,
Explorer usually sees it.


@than: Yes, I was serious....a cleaning disc has helped in almost
identical situations for me in the past, a number of times.

@J.P.: If you really do mean "Explorer usually sees it" rather than
"Explorer always sees it", then a cleaning disc may help.

The suggestion elsewhere in this thread about trying a different brand
of disc is also a good idea, especially if the issue is *only* with
burning discs, not reading them.

It's also possible the drive is just getting old and taking too long to
recognize the blank disc.

Have you tried another burning program?
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/


J. P. Gilliver (John) October 17th 09 02:36 PM

CD-R erratically detected
 
In message , glee
writes:
[]
@than: Yes, I was serious....a cleaning disc has helped in almost
identical situations for me in the past, a number of times.


I'll certainly try it, then.

.: If you really do mean "Explorer usually sees it" rather than
"Explorer always sees it", then a cleaning disc may help.


I think it always sees the drive as present, just not always with
anything in it. Your line of reasoning makes sense.

The suggestion elsewhere in this thread about trying a different brand
of disc is also a good idea, especially if the issue is *only* with
burning discs, not reading them.


The first few we did were with cheap unlabelled ones, which were mostly
fine (we had a couple of part-burned ones, but that was I think more a
buffer problem - it is a BURN-proof drive, and the software knows that,
but still; and moving the "temporary files" space for the .mp3-to-wav
conversion to a different partition, combined with reducing the burning
speed, seemed to solve that). I've still got plenty of those, so will
try.

It's also possible the drive is just getting old and taking too long to
recognize the blank disc.


Possibly. Until he started burning (he's done less than a dozen albums,
I think) he hardly ever used CDs, even for reading (in which case he'd
have probably used the older drive anyway).

Have you tried another burning program?


Initially I used Easy CD Creator - I know a lot of people don't think
much of it, but I was used to it, and it seemed to work fine. (I used
updates, which were necessary for it to recognise the new drive.) After
a complete system rebuild - I forget what prompted that, but it was, I'm
pretty sure, necessary (no point in discussing it, anyway - 'tis done) -
I couldn't get ECDC to recognise the drive, whatever I did, hence the
installation of burn4free. Until the recent problems, _that_ has been
working fine too. I've downloaded burnaware_free, deep_burner, and
microburner, and will try one or all next time I visit John; the trouble
is, I don't know if they allow the temp. files location to be specified
as burn4free does, and there's not really enough space on the C drive.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

"We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will
eventually reproduce the entire Works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the
Internet, we know this is not true." Robert Wilensky, computer science
division,
University of California Digital Library Project, 1996 (Computing 1999-12-16)

J. P. Gilliver (John) October 17th 09 02:36 PM

CD-R erratically detected
 
In message , glee
writes:
[]
@than: Yes, I was serious....a cleaning disc has helped in almost
identical situations for me in the past, a number of times.


I'll certainly try it, then.

.: If you really do mean "Explorer usually sees it" rather than
"Explorer always sees it", then a cleaning disc may help.


I think it always sees the drive as present, just not always with
anything in it. Your line of reasoning makes sense.

The suggestion elsewhere in this thread about trying a different brand
of disc is also a good idea, especially if the issue is *only* with
burning discs, not reading them.


The first few we did were with cheap unlabelled ones, which were mostly
fine (we had a couple of part-burned ones, but that was I think more a
buffer problem - it is a BURN-proof drive, and the software knows that,
but still; and moving the "temporary files" space for the .mp3-to-wav
conversion to a different partition, combined with reducing the burning
speed, seemed to solve that). I've still got plenty of those, so will
try.

It's also possible the drive is just getting old and taking too long to
recognize the blank disc.


Possibly. Until he started burning (he's done less than a dozen albums,
I think) he hardly ever used CDs, even for reading (in which case he'd
have probably used the older drive anyway).

Have you tried another burning program?


Initially I used Easy CD Creator - I know a lot of people don't think
much of it, but I was used to it, and it seemed to work fine. (I used
updates, which were necessary for it to recognise the new drive.) After
a complete system rebuild - I forget what prompted that, but it was, I'm
pretty sure, necessary (no point in discussing it, anyway - 'tis done) -
I couldn't get ECDC to recognise the drive, whatever I did, hence the
installation of burn4free. Until the recent problems, _that_ has been
working fine too. I've downloaded burnaware_free, deep_burner, and
microburner, and will try one or all next time I visit John; the trouble
is, I don't know if they allow the temp. files location to be specified
as burn4free does, and there's not really enough space on the C drive.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

"We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will
eventually reproduce the entire Works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the
Internet, we know this is not true." Robert Wilensky, computer science
division,
University of California Digital Library Project, 1996 (Computing 1999-12-16)

§ñühw¤£f October 17th 09 04:02 PM

CD-R erratically detected
 
In message , "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:
In message , Andy
writes:
[]
It isn't the _drive_ that's not being detected - that always shows up
in explorer; it's only the fact that there's a blank disc in it that
is so often missed.

Any ideas what's causing it, and what will improve it?

Try a different brand of CD blanks...Taiyo Yuden are among the best.


And once you've wasted a couple of quality blank CDs, throw the drive
away and spend $20-$30 to replace it.

It's ****ed. They don't last forever.

I think if it was the blanks, it wouldn't have been burning faultlessly
for the last few times we did manage to make it realise there was a disc
present. (And with cheap blanks, too.)

Will it recongnise if theres a disc in the drive that has data on it?
If so then its probably the media itself.
CD/RW discs are a problem sometimes.

It's not that old - only a year or two; the elderly PC had a non-writing
drive (still there). It's actually a CD and DVD writer, as I couldn't
even find a CD-only one. It's not been used much.

Did you ever drop it?
:)

I will try the cleaning disc suggestion, but I do think it's a system
configuration funny: as I mentioned earlier, when burn4free is told to
do a burn, it accesses the floppy drive before getting to the writer.


Then you need to g00gle up the website for that app and look for a support
section, mate.

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dadiOH[_3_] October 17th 09 05:49 PM

CD-R erratically detected
 
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

The suggestion elsewhere in this thread about trying a different
brand of disc is also a good idea, especially if the issue is *only*
with burning discs, not reading them.


The first few we did were with cheap unlabelled ones, which were
mostly fine (we had a couple of part-burned ones, but that was I
think more a buffer problem - it is a BURN-proof drive, and the
software knows that, but still; and moving the "temporary files"
space for the .mp3-to-wav conversion to a different partition,
combined with reducing the burning speed, seemed to solve that).


A fail-safe method is to just decode the MP3s to wave yourself then burn the
waves. Many programs to do decoding/encoding, CDex is good, easy and free.
http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/


--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico




dadiOH[_3_] October 17th 09 05:49 PM

CD-R erratically detected
 
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

The suggestion elsewhere in this thread about trying a different
brand of disc is also a good idea, especially if the issue is *only*
with burning discs, not reading them.


The first few we did were with cheap unlabelled ones, which were
mostly fine (we had a couple of part-burned ones, but that was I
think more a buffer problem - it is a BURN-proof drive, and the
software knows that, but still; and moving the "temporary files"
space for the .mp3-to-wav conversion to a different partition,
combined with reducing the burning speed, seemed to solve that).


A fail-safe method is to just decode the MP3s to wave yourself then burn the
waves. Many programs to do decoding/encoding, CDex is good, easy and free.
http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/


--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico




glee October 17th 09 09:04 PM

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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
snip
Initially I used Easy CD Creator - I know a lot of people don't think
much of it, but I was used to it, and it seemed to work fine. (I used
updates, which were necessary for it to recognise the new drive.)
After a complete system rebuild - I forget what prompted that, but it
was, I'm pretty sure, necessary (no point in discussing it, anyway -
'tis done) - I couldn't get ECDC to recognise the drive, whatever I
did, hence the installation of burn4free. Until the recent problems,
_that_ has been working fine too. I've downloaded burnaware_free,
deep_burner, and microburner, and will try one or all next time I
visit John; the trouble is, I don't know if they allow the temp. files
location to be specified as burn4free does, and there's not really
enough space on the C drive.


Which version of Microburner? I have versions 4.x and 5.x here.
Silentnight Microburner 5.x has a place in its "burner settings" to
choose the temp location. I don't see any way to do it with version
4.x, though.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/


glee October 17th 09 09:04 PM

CD-R erratically detected
 
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
snip
Initially I used Easy CD Creator - I know a lot of people don't think
much of it, but I was used to it, and it seemed to work fine. (I used
updates, which were necessary for it to recognise the new drive.)
After a complete system rebuild - I forget what prompted that, but it
was, I'm pretty sure, necessary (no point in discussing it, anyway -
'tis done) - I couldn't get ECDC to recognise the drive, whatever I
did, hence the installation of burn4free. Until the recent problems,
_that_ has been working fine too. I've downloaded burnaware_free,
deep_burner, and microburner, and will try one or all next time I
visit John; the trouble is, I don't know if they allow the temp. files
location to be specified as burn4free does, and there's not really
enough space on the C drive.


Which version of Microburner? I have versions 4.x and 5.x here.
Silentnight Microburner 5.x has a place in its "burner settings" to
choose the temp location. I don't see any way to do it with version
4.x, though.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/


J. P. Gilliver (John) October 17th 09 11:53 PM

CD-R erratically detected
 
In message , dadiOH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

The suggestion elsewhere in this thread about trying a different
brand of disc is also a good idea, especially if the issue is *only*
with burning discs, not reading them.


The first few we did were with cheap unlabelled ones, which were
mostly fine (we had a couple of part-burned ones, but that was I
think more a buffer problem - it is a BURN-proof drive, and the
software knows that, but still; and moving the "temporary files"
space for the .mp3-to-wav conversion to a different partition,
combined with reducing the burning speed, seemed to solve that).


A fail-safe method is to just decode the MP3s to wave yourself then burn the
waves. Many programs to do decoding/encoding, CDex is good, easy and free.
http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/


GoldWave (with Lame) too. But (a) that part of Burn4Free seems to have
worked fine anyway, (b) I suspect it (burnfree) would still
intermittently fail to detect there was a blank in the drive, when we
tried to burn the .wavs.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

At least with a British car, you know that everything that falls off it is a
product of true British workmanship. (Lord somethingorother on Robin Day's
programme, 1980-1-15.)

J. P. Gilliver (John) October 17th 09 11:53 PM

CD-R erratically detected
 
In message , dadiOH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

The suggestion elsewhere in this thread about trying a different
brand of disc is also a good idea, especially if the issue is *only*
with burning discs, not reading them.


The first few we did were with cheap unlabelled ones, which were
mostly fine (we had a couple of part-burned ones, but that was I
think more a buffer problem - it is a BURN-proof drive, and the
software knows that, but still; and moving the "temporary files"
space for the .mp3-to-wav conversion to a different partition,
combined with reducing the burning speed, seemed to solve that).


A fail-safe method is to just decode the MP3s to wave yourself then burn the
waves. Many programs to do decoding/encoding, CDex is good, easy and free.
http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/


GoldWave (with Lame) too. But (a) that part of Burn4Free seems to have
worked fine anyway, (b) I suspect it (burnfree) would still
intermittently fail to detect there was a blank in the drive, when we
tried to burn the .wavs.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

At least with a British car, you know that everything that falls off it is a
product of true British workmanship. (Lord somethingorother on Robin Day's
programme, 1980-1-15.)

J. P. Gilliver (John) October 18th 09 12:00 AM

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In message , glee
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...

[]
visit John; the trouble is, I don't know if they allow the temp. files
location to be specified as burn4free does, and there's not really
enough space on the C drive.


Which version of Microburner? I have versions 4.x and 5.x here.
Silentnight Microburner 5.x has a place in its "burner settings" to
choose the temp location. I don't see any way to do it with version
4.x, though.


5.0. Under burner settings, I see something called "Temporary ISO folder
placement" under "Direct Copy/Clone Settings", which I presume is
something to do with copying one CD to another. I have wondered whether
it also uses the folder specified for temporary .wav files, but have yet
to find out; if you know that it does, I'll be pleased to try - it looks
a nice piece of software. (And the speech is fun.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

At least with a British car, you know that everything that falls off it is a
product of true British workmanship. (Lord somethingorother on Robin Day's
programme, 1980-1-15.)

J. P. Gilliver (John) October 18th 09 12:00 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 
In message , glee
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...

[]
visit John; the trouble is, I don't know if they allow the temp. files
location to be specified as burn4free does, and there's not really
enough space on the C drive.


Which version of Microburner? I have versions 4.x and 5.x here.
Silentnight Microburner 5.x has a place in its "burner settings" to
choose the temp location. I don't see any way to do it with version
4.x, though.


5.0. Under burner settings, I see something called "Temporary ISO folder
placement" under "Direct Copy/Clone Settings", which I presume is
something to do with copying one CD to another. I have wondered whether
it also uses the folder specified for temporary .wav files, but have yet
to find out; if you know that it does, I'll be pleased to try - it looks
a nice piece of software. (And the speech is fun.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

At least with a British car, you know that everything that falls off it is a
product of true British workmanship. (Lord somethingorother on Robin Day's
programme, 1980-1-15.)

glee October 18th 09 12:35 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , glee
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...

[]
visit John; the trouble is, I don't know if they allow the temp.
files location to be specified as burn4free does, and there's not
really enough space on the C drive.


Which version of Microburner? I have versions 4.x and 5.x here.
Silentnight Microburner 5.x has a place in its "burner settings" to
choose the temp location. I don't see any way to do it with version
4.x, though.


5.0. Under burner settings, I see something called "Temporary ISO
folder placement" under "Direct Copy/Clone Settings", which I presume
is something to do with copying one CD to another. I have wondered
whether it also uses the folder specified for temporary .wav files,
but have yet to find out; if you know that it does, I'll be pleased to
try - it looks a nice piece of software. (And the speech is fun.)


I haven't used it for music ripping/conversion/etc., so I can't say if
that setting applies to it also. Why not try and find out? It can't
hurt (too much) eg
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/


glee October 18th 09 12:35 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , glee
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...

[]
visit John; the trouble is, I don't know if they allow the temp.
files location to be specified as burn4free does, and there's not
really enough space on the C drive.


Which version of Microburner? I have versions 4.x and 5.x here.
Silentnight Microburner 5.x has a place in its "burner settings" to
choose the temp location. I don't see any way to do it with version
4.x, though.


5.0. Under burner settings, I see something called "Temporary ISO
folder placement" under "Direct Copy/Clone Settings", which I presume
is something to do with copying one CD to another. I have wondered
whether it also uses the folder specified for temporary .wav files,
but have yet to find out; if you know that it does, I'll be pleased to
try - it looks a nice piece of software. (And the speech is fun.)


I haven't used it for music ripping/conversion/etc., so I can't say if
that setting applies to it also. Why not try and find out? It can't
hurt (too much) eg
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/


J. P. Gilliver (John) October 18th 09 02:35 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 
In message , glee
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , glee
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...

[]
visit John; the trouble is, I don't know if they allow the temp.
files location to be specified as burn4free does, and there's not
really enough space on the C drive.

Which version of Microburner? I have versions 4.x and 5.x here.
Silentnight Microburner 5.x has a place in its "burner settings" to
choose the temp location. I don't see any way to do it with version
4.x, though.


5.0. Under burner settings, I see something called "Temporary ISO
folder placement" under "Direct Copy/Clone Settings", which I presume
is something to do with copying one CD to another. I have wondered
whether it also uses the folder specified for temporary .wav files,
but have yet to find out; if you know that it does, I'll be pleased to
try - it looks a nice piece of software. (And the speech is fun.)


I haven't used it for music ripping/conversion/etc., so I can't say if
that setting applies to it also. Why not try and find out? It can't
hurt (too much) eg


I intend to!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

At least with a British car, you know that everything that falls off it is a
product of true British workmanship. (Lord somethingorother on Robin Day's
programme, 1980-1-15.)

J. P. Gilliver (John) October 18th 09 02:35 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 
In message , glee
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , glee
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...

[]
visit John; the trouble is, I don't know if they allow the temp.
files location to be specified as burn4free does, and there's not
really enough space on the C drive.

Which version of Microburner? I have versions 4.x and 5.x here.
Silentnight Microburner 5.x has a place in its "burner settings" to
choose the temp location. I don't see any way to do it with version
4.x, though.


5.0. Under burner settings, I see something called "Temporary ISO
folder placement" under "Direct Copy/Clone Settings", which I presume
is something to do with copying one CD to another. I have wondered
whether it also uses the folder specified for temporary .wav files,
but have yet to find out; if you know that it does, I'll be pleased to
try - it looks a nice piece of software. (And the speech is fun.)


I haven't used it for music ripping/conversion/etc., so I can't say if
that setting applies to it also. Why not try and find out? It can't
hurt (too much) eg


I intend to!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

At least with a British car, you know that everything that falls off it is a
product of true British workmanship. (Lord somethingorother on Robin Day's
programme, 1980-1-15.)

dadiOH[_3_] October 18th 09 11:51 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , dadiOH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

The suggestion elsewhere in this thread about trying a different
brand of disc is also a good idea, especially if the issue is
*only* with burning discs, not reading them.

The first few we did were with cheap unlabelled ones, which were
mostly fine (we had a couple of part-burned ones, but that was I
think more a buffer problem - it is a BURN-proof drive, and the
software knows that, but still; and moving the "temporary files"
space for the .mp3-to-wav conversion to a different partition,
combined with reducing the burning speed, seemed to solve that).


A fail-safe method is to just decode the MP3s to wave yourself then
burn the waves. Many programs to do decoding/encoding, CDex is
good, easy and free. http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/


GoldWave (with Lame) too. But (a) that part of Burn4Free seems to have
worked fine anyway, (b) I suspect it (burnfree) would still
intermittently fail to detect there was a blank in the drive, when we
tried to burn the .wavs.


Right. I was suggesting it as an alternative to your previous buffer
problem.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico




dadiOH[_3_] October 18th 09 11:51 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , dadiOH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

The suggestion elsewhere in this thread about trying a different
brand of disc is also a good idea, especially if the issue is
*only* with burning discs, not reading them.

The first few we did were with cheap unlabelled ones, which were
mostly fine (we had a couple of part-burned ones, but that was I
think more a buffer problem - it is a BURN-proof drive, and the
software knows that, but still; and moving the "temporary files"
space for the .mp3-to-wav conversion to a different partition,
combined with reducing the burning speed, seemed to solve that).


A fail-safe method is to just decode the MP3s to wave yourself then
burn the waves. Many programs to do decoding/encoding, CDex is
good, easy and free. http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/


GoldWave (with Lame) too. But (a) that part of Burn4Free seems to have
worked fine anyway, (b) I suspect it (burnfree) would still
intermittently fail to detect there was a blank in the drive, when we
tried to burn the .wavs.


Right. I was suggesting it as an alternative to your previous buffer
problem.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico




S??hW0?ƒ October 18th 09 03:31 PM

CD-R erratically detected
 
Meat Plow wrote:
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:02:14 -0600, ???hw??f
wrote:

In message , "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:
In message , Andy
writes:
[]
It isn't the _drive_ that's not being detected - that always shows up
in explorer; it's only the fact that there's a blank disc in it that
is so often missed.

Any ideas what's causing it, and what will improve it?
Try a different brand of CD blanks...Taiyo Yuden are among the best.
And once you've wasted a couple of quality blank CDs, throw the drive
away and spend $20-$30 to replace it.

It's ****ed. They don't last forever.

I think if it was the blanks, it wouldn't have been burning faultlessly
for the last few times we did manage to make it realise there was a disc
present. (And with cheap blanks, too.)

Will it recongnise if theres a disc in the drive that has data on it?
If so then its probably the media itself.
CD/RW discs are a problem sometimes.

It's not that old - only a year or two; the elderly PC had a non-writing
drive (still there). It's actually a CD and DVD writer, as I couldn't
even find a CD-only one. It's not been used much.

Did you ever drop it?
:)

I will try the cleaning disc suggestion, but I do think it's a system
configuration funny: as I mentioned earlier, when burn4free is told to
do a burn, it accesses the floppy drive before getting to the writer.

Then you need to g00gle up the website for that app and look for a support
section, mate.


Appears he's got some corruption in his system part of the registry.


If so tehn he s gotta uninstall it and do surgery on the registyryry to
remove all the diseased bits.

^_^

Greg[_2_] October 18th 09 11:58 PM

CD-R erratically detected
 
Here a suggestion if he trying to burn cds. Lower the speed down to
12x (Yes, you have to wait longer, but it is more reliable to have
the data stored correctly). I notice when my burners are going bad,
you can use lower speed for a few months till it quits. My lasted
for about a year.


Greg

Greg[_2_] October 18th 09 11:58 PM

CD-R erratically detected
 
Here a suggestion if he trying to burn cds. Lower the speed down to
12x (Yes, you have to wait longer, but it is more reliable to have
the data stored correctly). I notice when my burners are going bad,
you can use lower speed for a few months till it quits. My lasted
for about a year.


Greg

J. P. Gilliver (John) October 19th 09 08:06 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 
In message , dadiOH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[]
A fail-safe method is to just decode the MP3s to wave yourself then
burn the waves. Many programs to do decoding/encoding, CDex is
good, easy and free. http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/


GoldWave (with Lame) too. But (a) that part of Burn4Free seems to have
worked fine anyway, (b) I suspect it (burnfree) would still
intermittently fail to detect there was a blank in the drive, when we
tried to burn the .wavs.


Right. I was suggesting it as an alternative to your previous buffer
problem.

Ah, understood, thanks.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

At least with a British car, you know that everything that falls off it is a
product of true British workmanship. (Lord somethingorother on Robin Day's
programme, 1980-1-15.)

J. P. Gilliver (John) October 19th 09 08:06 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 
In message , dadiOH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[]
A fail-safe method is to just decode the MP3s to wave yourself then
burn the waves. Many programs to do decoding/encoding, CDex is
good, easy and free. http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/


GoldWave (with Lame) too. But (a) that part of Burn4Free seems to have
worked fine anyway, (b) I suspect it (burnfree) would still
intermittently fail to detect there was a blank in the drive, when we
tried to burn the .wavs.


Right. I was suggesting it as an alternative to your previous buffer
problem.

Ah, understood, thanks.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

At least with a British car, you know that everything that falls off it is a
product of true British workmanship. (Lord somethingorother on Robin Day's
programme, 1980-1-15.)

J. P. Gilliver (John) October 19th 09 08:08 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 
In message , S??hW0?Æ’
writes:
Meat Plow wrote:

[]
I will try the cleaning disc suggestion, but I do think it's a
system configuration funny: as I mentioned earlier, when burn4free
is told to do a burn, it accesses the floppy drive before getting
to the writer.
Then you need to g00gle up the website for that app and look for a support
section, mate.

Appears he's got some corruption in his system part of the registry.


That is (the sort of thing I) fear, but wouldn't know how ...

If so tehn he s gotta uninstall it and do surgery on the registyryry to
remove all the diseased bits.


.... to do that. (The surgery I mean.)

^_^


--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

At least with a British car, you know that everything that falls off it is a
product of true British workmanship. (Lord somethingorother on Robin Day's
programme, 1980-1-15.)

J. P. Gilliver (John) October 19th 09 08:08 AM

CD-R erratically detected
 
In message , S??hW0?Æ’
writes:
Meat Plow wrote:

[]
I will try the cleaning disc suggestion, but I do think it's a
system configuration funny: as I mentioned earlier, when burn4free
is told to do a burn, it accesses the floppy drive before getting
to the writer.
Then you need to g00gle up the website for that app and look for a support
section, mate.

Appears he's got some corruption in his system part of the registry.


That is (the sort of thing I) fear, but wouldn't know how ...

If so tehn he s gotta uninstall it and do surgery on the registyryry to
remove all the diseased bits.


.... to do that. (The surgery I mean.)

^_^


--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

At least with a British car, you know that everything that falls off it is a
product of true British workmanship. (Lord somethingorother on Robin Day's
programme, 1980-1-15.)


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