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Control Panel/Add remove programs. Select WMP7 and remove. It reverts back
to previous version of MP. " wrote: What is resetting my swap file setting to "allow windows98 to manage virtual memory" from "allow user to manage virtual memory"? Every week it seems like when I check my virtual memory settings I find that it has reverted back to "allow windows to manage virtual memory." I like to set my own swap file size, and for years 3 or 4 years this setting stuck. But I installed (and later unistalled) Media Player 7 about three weeks ago. Now something (MP7?) keeps changing it back to allow windows to manage. What is resetting my virtual memory and how do I stop it? I have not installed any new sowthware recently. Thanks. PS (MP7 screwed up my computer in more ways than one.) |
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A very respectable name-- it was Harper, MVP (& not Martell, MVP)--
has said: Under certain circumstances, perhaps rare, there can be a serious crash, if a maximum is set for the Swap File, and there is no telling how big it may wish to grow. HE HAS SEEN IT, with his own eyes. (Now, he is blind.) So, forget about the 2.5x usable RAM rule. (He now sits at his keyboard, day & night, waiting to pounce, should anyone suggest using it.) I didn't do it long! I couldn't bear the sight of nearly a GB worth of Win386.swp, (although it seemed to function well). Unless turned off, Windows is always managing VM. It manages it based on what is shown shadowed in min & max at "R-Clk My Computer, Properties, Performance tab, Virtual Memory button". That is OK at defaults of zero & "No maximum". The only MVP approved alteration is to set the min larger, based on careful observation over days. You would set it at 20% larger than the greatest value you saw for Swap File "SIZE" (not "use"), using System Monitor. If your observation discovers a constant & frequent Swap File "USE" figure, THAT is when to consider additional RAM. WARNING: Once, I turned off VM for a zero swap file. All seemed to run well, UNTIL I opened a Windows DOS (in a box) session. It produced an orderly crash of the DOS box. Later, online, I did it again, just to report the experience accurately. The crash this time was horrendous- IT HAD A HEARTBEAT. There is one other setting I've tried & rejected: "ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1", in System.ini, [386.Enh] Section. This, gave me a Win386.swp file generally 10-20 MB in size, sometimes zero. That's with Windows in control of the size, and min=0, max=No max. It was beautiful to watch. When the Swap file was in "use" (say, 20 MB), the "size" went to around 100 MB. However, there was resizing going on, even when "swap file in use" was zero (Windows tries to anticipate how big to make it, depending on what you're doing), and, again, my sluggishness persisted.The Microsoft literature says it's less efficient, as well. Although I generally loved seeing the small Win386.swp sizes, I discontinued "ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1". (That "sluggishness" is gone; it was something entirely unrelated to VM. In fact, I was never able to pin anything on VM at all, except, I believe, Win386.swp gets in the way of a proper Scandisk/Defrag.) This setting might be appropriate for one who has so much RAM, as to never have a "use" figure. Do you have "System Monitor" in START... System Tools? If not, get it from "START, Settings, Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs, Windows Setup tab, D-Clk System Tools, check System Monitor, OK, Apply, OK". May as well take "Resource Meter", too. Now, go through the menus and at least have it display (a) Swap file in use. (b) Swap file size. (c) Swappable memory. (d) Unused physical memory. (e) Allocated memory. (f) Disk cache size. (g) Locked memory (h) Other memory (i) Kernel Processor Usage (j) Kernel Threads I must go. I'm on my way to Saskatchewan & have no time to explain what each of those are. Just watch that "in use" figure, is all, for now. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR wrote in message ... | What is resetting my swap file setting to "allow windows98 to manage | virtual memory" from "allow user to manage virtual memory"? | | Every week it seems like when I check my virtual memory settings I find | that it has reverted back to "allow windows to manage virtual memory." I | like to set my own swap file size, and for years 3 or 4 years this | setting stuck. | | But I installed (and later unistalled) Media Player 7 about three weeks | ago. Now something (MP7?) keeps changing it back to allow windows to | manage. What is resetting my virtual memory and how do I stop it? I | have not installed any new sowthware recently. Thanks. PS (MP7 screwed | up my computer in more ways than one.) |
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wrote in message ... What is resetting my swap file setting to "allow windows98 to manage virtual memory" from "allow user to manage virtual memory"? Every week it seems like when I check my virtual memory settings I find that it has reverted back to "allow windows to manage virtual memory." I like to set my own swap file size, and for years 3 or 4 years this setting stuck. But I installed (and later unistalled) Media Player 7 about three weeks ago. Now something (MP7?) keeps changing it back to allow windows to manage. What is resetting my virtual memory and how do I stop it? I have not installed any new sowthware recently. Thanks. PS (MP7 screwed up my computer in more ways than one.) After you select user and set the min/max and reboot, Windows will manage it with the limits set by the user. If you set the min/max to 500MB or whatever, then that is what Windows will do. What numbers did you put in the min and max boxes? Do they change? |
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What is resetting my swap file setting to "allow windows98 to manage
virtual memory" from "allow user to manage virtual memory"? Every week it seems like when I check my virtual memory settings I find that it has reverted back to "allow windows to manage virtual memory." I like to set my own swap file size, and for years 3 or 4 years this setting stuck. But I installed (and later unistalled) Media Player 7 about three weeks ago. Now something (MP7?) keeps changing it back to allow windows to manage. What is resetting my virtual memory and how do I stop it? I have not installed any new sowthware recently. Thanks. PS (MP7 screwed up my computer in more ways than one.) |
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This is what I did...
Cleaned all temp files TIF and so on plus and temp logs. Checked use of C:= 575MB Did scandisk and defrag. Checked C:=542MB Turned off VM, did the restart. Checked C:=474MB Did another defrag. C: still 474MB Turned VM back on and let Windows manage it. Reboot C:=546MB 74MB of VM seems aweful small. But I guess Windows will increase the size as the disk gets more data. And I guess it would really grow if you don't do periodic maintenance cleaning. I would at least set it equal to RAM as minimal and 1.5x RAM as Max. Which in my case would be 256MB.min and 385MB.max. What you think? "PCR" wrote: A very respectable name-- it was Harper, MVP (& not Martell, MVP)-- has said: Under certain circumstances, perhaps rare, there can be a serious crash, if a maximum is set for the Swap File, and there is no telling how big it may wish to grow. HE HAS SEEN IT, with his own eyes. (Now, he is blind.) So, forget about the 2.5x usable RAM rule. (He now sits at his keyboard, day & night, waiting to pounce, should anyone suggest using it.) I didn't do it long! I couldn't bear the sight of nearly a GB worth of Win386.swp, (although it seemed to function well). Unless turned off, Windows is always managing VM. It manages it based on what is shown shadowed in min & max at "R-Clk My Computer, Properties, Performance tab, Virtual Memory button". That is OK at defaults of zero & "No maximum". The only MVP approved alteration is to set the min larger, based on careful observation over days. You would set it at 20% larger than the greatest value you saw for Swap File "SIZE" (not "use"), using System Monitor. If your observation discovers a constant & frequent Swap File "USE" figure, THAT is when to consider additional RAM. WARNING: Once, I turned off VM for a zero swap file. All seemed to run well, UNTIL I opened a Windows DOS (in a box) session. It produced an orderly crash of the DOS box. Later, online, I did it again, just to report the experience accurately. The crash this time was horrendous- IT HAD A HEARTBEAT. There is one other setting I've tried & rejected: "ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1", in System.ini, [386.Enh] Section. This, gave me a Win386.swp file generally 10-20 MB in size, sometimes zero. That's with Windows in control of the size, and min=0, max=No max. It was beautiful to watch. When the Swap file was in "use" (say, 20 MB), the "size" went to around 100 MB. However, there was resizing going on, even when "swap file in use" was zero (Windows tries to anticipate how big to make it, depending on what you're doing), and, again, my sluggishness persisted.The Microsoft literature says it's less efficient, as well. Although I generally loved seeing the small Win386.swp sizes, I discontinued "ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1". (That "sluggishness" is gone; it was something entirely unrelated to VM. In fact, I was never able to pin anything on VM at all, except, I believe, Win386.swp gets in the way of a proper Scandisk/Defrag.) This setting might be appropriate for one who has so much RAM, as to never have a "use" figure. Do you have "System Monitor" in START... System Tools? If not, get it from "START, Settings, Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs, Windows Setup tab, D-Clk System Tools, check System Monitor, OK, Apply, OK". May as well take "Resource Meter", too. Now, go through the menus and at least have it display (a) Swap file in use. (b) Swap file size. (c) Swappable memory. (d) Unused physical memory. (e) Allocated memory. (f) Disk cache size. (g) Locked memory (h) Other memory (i) Kernel Processor Usage (j) Kernel Threads I must go. I'm on my way to Saskatchewan & have no time to explain what each of those are. Just watch that "in use" figure, is all, for now. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR wrote in message ... | What is resetting my swap file setting to "allow windows98 to manage | virtual memory" from "allow user to manage virtual memory"? | | Every week it seems like when I check my virtual memory settings I find | that it has reverted back to "allow windows to manage virtual memory." I | like to set my own swap file size, and for years 3 or 4 years this | setting stuck. | | But I installed (and later unistalled) Media Player 7 about three weeks | ago. Now something (MP7?) keeps changing it back to allow windows to | manage. What is resetting my virtual memory and how do I stop it? I | have not installed any new sowthware recently. Thanks. PS (MP7 screwed | up my computer in more ways than one.) |
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As Buffalo mentioned, what you are seeing is normal. When you select the option to
allow the user to manage the swap file, it allows you to set the Min and Max settings, and on what drive or partition you want the swap file. Once you make your choices and reboot, the Virtual Memory page will again show that Windows is managing your virtual memory, BUT with the settings you chose now shown in the greyed sections. That means that Windows is now managing according to your settings, and that is how it has been displayed since the first version of Windows 95. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm wrote in message ... What is resetting my swap file setting to "allow windows98 to manage virtual memory" from "allow user to manage virtual memory"? Every week it seems like when I check my virtual memory settings I find that it has reverted back to "allow windows to manage virtual memory." I like to set my own swap file size, and for years 3 or 4 years this setting stuck. But I installed (and later unistalled) Media Player 7 about three weeks ago. Now something (MP7?) keeps changing it back to allow windows to manage. What is resetting my virtual memory and how do I stop it? I have not installed any new sowthware recently. Thanks. PS (MP7 screwed up my computer in more ways than one.) |
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"poatt" wrote in message ... This is what I did... Cleaned all temp files TIF and so on plus and temp logs. Checked use of C:= 575MB Did scandisk and defrag. Checked C:=542MB Turned off VM, did the restart. Checked C:=474MB Did another defrag. C: still 474MB Turned VM back on and let Windows manage it. Reboot C:=546MB 74MB of VM seems aweful small. But I guess Windows will increase the size as the disk gets more data. And I guess it would really grow if you don't do periodic maintenance cleaning. I would at least set it equal to RAM as minimal and 1.5x RAM as Max. Which in my case would be 256MB.min and 385MB.max. What you think? Always have been curious about setting it to 1.5xRam. Does it make sense to you? If you only have 64MB of ram, then that figure would be 96MB. If you have 512MB of ram, then that figure would be 768MB. In other words, that kinda means that the more physical ram you have, the higher the min should be. Make sense to you?? :-) PS: I think that if you have more ram than you use, you wouldn't need virtual memory. And if you did, it really shouldn't be more than if you only had 64MB. |
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I think it is a really bad idea. That nonsense has been going around for years now,
and is not even worth another discussion. The falsity of the argument is obvious. One needs more virtual memory if there is less physical RAM, so why would a one set a max *higher* for a larger amount of installed RAM? -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "poatt" wrote in message ... This is what I did... Cleaned all temp files TIF and so on plus and temp logs. Checked use of C:= 575MB Did scandisk and defrag. Checked C:=542MB Turned off VM, did the restart. Checked C:=474MB Did another defrag. C: still 474MB Turned VM back on and let Windows manage it. Reboot C:=546MB 74MB of VM seems aweful small. But I guess Windows will increase the size as the disk gets more data. And I guess it would really grow if you don't do periodic maintenance cleaning. I would at least set it equal to RAM as minimal and 1.5x RAM as Max. Which in my case would be 256MB.min and 385MB.max. What you think? "PCR" wrote: A very respectable name-- it was Harper, MVP (& not Martell, MVP)-- has said: Under certain circumstances, perhaps rare, there can be a serious crash, if a maximum is set for the Swap File, and there is no telling how big it may wish to grow. HE HAS SEEN IT, with his own eyes. (Now, he is blind.) So, forget about the 2.5x usable RAM rule. (He now sits at his keyboard, day & night, waiting to pounce, should anyone suggest using it.) I didn't do it long! I couldn't bear the sight of nearly a GB worth of Win386.swp, (although it seemed to function well). Unless turned off, Windows is always managing VM. It manages it based on what is shown shadowed in min & max at "R-Clk My Computer, Properties, Performance tab, Virtual Memory button". That is OK at defaults of zero & "No maximum". The only MVP approved alteration is to set the min larger, based on careful observation over days. You would set it at 20% larger than the greatest value you saw for Swap File "SIZE" (not "use"), using System Monitor. If your observation discovers a constant & frequent Swap File "USE" figure, THAT is when to consider additional RAM. WARNING: Once, I turned off VM for a zero swap file. All seemed to run well, UNTIL I opened a Windows DOS (in a box) session. It produced an orderly crash of the DOS box. Later, online, I did it again, just to report the experience accurately. The crash this time was horrendous- IT HAD A HEARTBEAT. There is one other setting I've tried & rejected: "ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1", in System.ini, [386.Enh] Section. This, gave me a Win386.swp file generally 10-20 MB in size, sometimes zero. That's with Windows in control of the size, and min=0, max=No max. It was beautiful to watch. When the Swap file was in "use" (say, 20 MB), the "size" went to around 100 MB. However, there was resizing going on, even when "swap file in use" was zero (Windows tries to anticipate how big to make it, depending on what you're doing), and, again, my sluggishness persisted.The Microsoft literature says it's less efficient, as well. Although I generally loved seeing the small Win386.swp sizes, I discontinued "ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1". (That "sluggishness" is gone; it was something entirely unrelated to VM. In fact, I was never able to pin anything on VM at all, except, I believe, Win386.swp gets in the way of a proper Scandisk/Defrag.) This setting might be appropriate for one who has so much RAM, as to never have a "use" figure. Do you have "System Monitor" in START... System Tools? If not, get it from "START, Settings, Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs, Windows Setup tab, D-Clk System Tools, check System Monitor, OK, Apply, OK". May as well take "Resource Meter", too. Now, go through the menus and at least have it display (a) Swap file in use. (b) Swap file size. (c) Swappable memory. (d) Unused physical memory. (e) Allocated memory. (f) Disk cache size. (g) Locked memory (h) Other memory (i) Kernel Processor Usage (j) Kernel Threads I must go. I'm on my way to Saskatchewan & have no time to explain what each of those are. Just watch that "in use" figure, is all, for now. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR wrote in message ... | What is resetting my swap file setting to "allow windows98 to manage | virtual memory" from "allow user to manage virtual memory"? | | Every week it seems like when I check my virtual memory settings I find | that it has reverted back to "allow windows to manage virtual memory." I | like to set my own swap file size, and for years 3 or 4 years this | setting stuck. | | But I installed (and later unistalled) Media Player 7 about three weeks | ago. Now something (MP7?) keeps changing it back to allow windows to | manage. What is resetting my virtual memory and how do I stop it? I | have not installed any new sowthware recently. Thanks. PS (MP7 screwed | up my computer in more ways than one.) |
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That is the exact argument that proves the "formula" is an idiot idea that
should be avoided at all costs. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "Buffalo" wrote in message ... "poatt" wrote in message ... This is what I did... Cleaned all temp files TIF and so on plus and temp logs. Checked use of C:= 575MB Did scandisk and defrag. Checked C:=542MB Turned off VM, did the restart. Checked C:=474MB Did another defrag. C: still 474MB Turned VM back on and let Windows manage it. Reboot C:=546MB 74MB of VM seems aweful small. But I guess Windows will increase the size as the disk gets more data. And I guess it would really grow if you don't do periodic maintenance cleaning. I would at least set it equal to RAM as minimal and 1.5x RAM as Max. Which in my case would be 256MB.min and 385MB.max. What you think? Always have been curious about setting it to 1.5xRam. Does it make sense to you? If you only have 64MB of ram, then that figure would be 96MB. If you have 512MB of ram, then that figure would be 768MB. In other words, that kinda means that the more physical ram you have, the higher the min should be. Make sense to you?? :-) PS: I think that if you have more ram than you use, you wouldn't need virtual memory. And if you did, it really shouldn't be more than if you only had 64MB. |
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