How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup
As mentioned in the MPW98.disks.general, I just replaced the HD in my
old 98 machine. However, in spite of formatting it with the /s swtich, XCOPYing everything, and doing sys D: for good measure, I couldn't get the comptuer to boot. Not having a CD for this OEM install, I went to c:\windows\options \cabs and ran setup.exe It acted like I used an answer file and ran MUCH faster than I expected. Once it was finished, it asked me for a product key. I had anticipated this and extracted it before this ever began. I entered it, and was taken to my desktop. I haven't hooked anything but the keyboard, moue, and monitor up nor have I screwed in the drives yet, but everything looks like it's running fine. One thing I noticed is that it no longer says "Dell" on the bootup screen, but instead has a standard win98 bootup screen. Is there any way to bring that back by extracting a file from my old HD? It's a minor thing, but I thought it was nice to have the OEM one to remind me it's NOT a retail product key when somebody asks me if I have one. For that matter, what format is this custom boot screen and can I customize it myself? First priority is to get the old one that the computer came with back up, then worry about further customizations. I didn't expect this, but surprisingly I haven't ahd to revert to running setup the entire time I"ve owned this system. I don't udnerstand why the step of running setup was necessary, I was able to make a working virtual PC virtual hard drive that booted just fine using the exact same procedure only mapping networked drives instead of copying real drive letters. |
How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup
On Sep 11, 4:59*pm, SlickRCBD wrote:
As mentioned in the MPW98.disks.general, I just replaced the HD in my old 98 machine. However, in spite of formatting it with the /s swtich, XCOPYing everything, and doing sys D: for good measure, I couldn't get the comptuer to boot. Not having a CD for this OEM install, I went to c:\windows\options \cabs and ran setup.exe It acted like I used an answer file and ran MUCH faster than I expected. Once it was finished, it asked me for a product key. I had anticipated this and extracted it before this ever began. I entered it, and was taken to my desktop. I haven't hooked anything but the keyboard, moue, and monitor up nor have I screwed in the drives yet, but everything looks like it's running fine. One thing I noticed is that it no longer says "Dell" on the bootup screen, but instead has a standard win98 bootup screen. Is there any way to bring that back by extracting a file from my old HD? It's a minor thing, but I thought it was nice to have the OEM one to remind me it's NOT a retail product key when somebody asks me if I have one. For that matter, what format is this custom boot screen and can I customize it myself? First priority is to get the old one that the computer came with back up, then worry about further customizations. I didn't expect this, but surprisingly I haven't ahd to revert to running setup the entire time I"ve owned this system. I don't udnerstand why the step of running setup was necessary, I was able to make a working virtual PC virtual hard drive that booted just fine using the exact same procedure only mapping networked drives instead of copying real drive letters. I forgot to add, here's a picture of what I'm trying to bring back, taken from said Virutal PC backup I made prior to obtaining the new drive http://www.flickr.com/photos/10736018@N05/3910124663/ Now when I boot up the actual computer, the Windows 98 screen lacks the words in the upper corners of the screen. No "Distributed by Dell" and no "Microsoft" While I'm at it, is it possible to modify the file after extracting it from the backup? Can I add "SE" to the Windows 98 and maybe put something to ID the computer as belinging to SlickRCBD? |
How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup
On Sep 11, 4:59*pm, SlickRCBD wrote:
As mentioned in the MPW98.disks.general, I just replaced the HD in my old 98 machine. However, in spite of formatting it with the /s swtich, XCOPYing everything, and doing sys D: for good measure, I couldn't get the comptuer to boot. Not having a CD for this OEM install, I went to c:\windows\options \cabs and ran setup.exe It acted like I used an answer file and ran MUCH faster than I expected. Once it was finished, it asked me for a product key. I had anticipated this and extracted it before this ever began. I entered it, and was taken to my desktop. I haven't hooked anything but the keyboard, moue, and monitor up nor have I screwed in the drives yet, but everything looks like it's running fine. One thing I noticed is that it no longer says "Dell" on the bootup screen, but instead has a standard win98 bootup screen. Is there any way to bring that back by extracting a file from my old HD? It's a minor thing, but I thought it was nice to have the OEM one to remind me it's NOT a retail product key when somebody asks me if I have one. For that matter, what format is this custom boot screen and can I customize it myself? First priority is to get the old one that the computer came with back up, then worry about further customizations. I didn't expect this, but surprisingly I haven't ahd to revert to running setup the entire time I"ve owned this system. I don't udnerstand why the step of running setup was necessary, I was able to make a working virtual PC virtual hard drive that booted just fine using the exact same procedure only mapping networked drives instead of copying real drive letters. I forgot to add, here's a picture of what I'm trying to bring back, taken from said Virutal PC backup I made prior to obtaining the new drive http://www.flickr.com/photos/10736018@N05/3910124663/ Now when I boot up the actual computer, the Windows 98 screen lacks the words in the upper corners of the screen. No "Distributed by Dell" and no "Microsoft" While I'm at it, is it possible to modify the file after extracting it from the backup? Can I add "SE" to the Windows 98 and maybe put something to ID the computer as belinging to SlickRCBD? |
How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup
"SlickRCBD" wrote in message
... http://www.flickr.com/photos/10736018@N05/3910124663/ Now when I boot up the actual computer, the Windows 98 screen lacks the words in the upper corners of the screen. No "Distributed by Dell" and no "Microsoft" While I'm at it, is it possible to modify the file after extracting it from the backup? Can I add "SE" to the Windows 98 and maybe put something to ID the computer as belinging to SlickRCBD? The standard boot screen picture filename is LOGOS.SYS. It is in fact a BMP picture file, but squeezed narrow (320 x 400 pixels) and unsqueezed when displayed by the boot process. You can in fact create any picture file you like for this function, so long as it has the same pixel dimensions, or edit (a copy of) LOGOS.SYS in a picture editor. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup
"SlickRCBD" wrote in message
... http://www.flickr.com/photos/10736018@N05/3910124663/ Now when I boot up the actual computer, the Windows 98 screen lacks the words in the upper corners of the screen. No "Distributed by Dell" and no "Microsoft" While I'm at it, is it possible to modify the file after extracting it from the backup? Can I add "SE" to the Windows 98 and maybe put something to ID the computer as belinging to SlickRCBD? The standard boot screen picture filename is LOGOS.SYS. It is in fact a BMP picture file, but squeezed narrow (320 x 400 pixels) and unsqueezed when displayed by the boot process. You can in fact create any picture file you like for this function, so long as it has the same pixel dimensions, or edit (a copy of) LOGOS.SYS in a picture editor. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup
SlickRCBD wrote:
On Sep 11, 4:59 pm, SlickRCBD wrote: As mentioned in the MPW98.disks.general, I just replaced the HD in my old 98 machine. However, in spite of formatting it with the /s swtich, XCOPYing everything, and doing sys D: for good measure, I couldn't get the comptuer to boot. Probably, one/both of the following was the missing requirement... 1. The partition to boot must be the Active partition. FDISK option 2 makes a partition the Active one. 2. There must be boot code in the MBR (Master Boot Record) of the HDD. FDISK /MBR puts it there, but there are cautions about that. Not having a CD for this OEM install, I went to c:\windows\options \cabs and ran setup.exe It acted like I used an answer file and ran MUCH faster than I expected. Once it was finished, it asked me for a product key. I had anticipated this and extracted it before this ever began. I entered it, and was taken to my desktop. I haven't hooked anything but the keyboard, moue, and monitor up nor have I screwed in the drives yet, but everything looks like it's running fine. That was smart enough to be sure of the product key. I guess it was quick because it was doing an over-install, but I don't really know. Mine, like yours, came pre-installed. If an over-install was done, then the Version Conflict Manager may have activated... http://support.microsoft.com/default...57&Product=w98 Description of the Version Conflict Manager Tool in Windows 98 ........Quote......................... 1. Click Start, point to Programs, point to Accessories, point to System Tools, and then click System Information. 2. On the Tools menu, click Version Conflict Manager. 3. Click the file that you want to restore, and then click Restore Selected Files. ........EOQ.............................. If the over-install replaced newer files with old ones, they will be shown & are recoverable through the VCM. Do you see Logo.sys mentioned in there? Is there a Logo.sys in your C:\folder? Logo.sys -- if present in C:\ -- is the startup screen. If not present in C:\, there is one embedded in IO.sys that is used-- normally. That's the normal situation. However, my Compaq puts up a different startup screen -- just a big, red COMPAQ -- & I have no Logo.sys file in C:\. And I doubt it altered the one embedded in IO.sys. Therefore, I believe there is a 3rd mechanism for it (which I haven't ever discovered). If you have no Logo.sys to restore from VCM & there is a Logo.sys in C:\; try renaming it to Logo.sy_. Reboot. It's possible the 3rd mechanism depends upon the file being missing. Here's something you should also see... http://support.microsoft.com/default...85&Product=w98 Files Not Backed Up Using the Version Conflict Manager Tool (184585) - When you use the Version Conflict Manager tool to restore the newer versions of files that were overwritten by Windows 98 Setup, the files are properly restored, but the original Windows 98 files may be lost. One thing I noticed is that it no longer says "Dell" on the bootup screen, but instead has a standard win98 bootup screen. Is there any way to bring that back by extracting a file from my old HD? It's a minor thing, but I thought it was nice to have the OEM one to remind me it's NOT a retail product key when somebody asks me if I have one. For that matter, what format is this custom boot screen and can I customize it myself? First priority is to get the old one that the computer came with back up, then worry about further customizations. I didn't expect this, but surprisingly I haven't ahd to revert to running setup the entire time I"ve owned this system. Here is something that sounds sensible from my Keepers posts. You can use MSPaint... ..........Quote Julien.................. "Julien" wrote in message news:ejglvg4pBHA.1532@tkmsftngp03... To generate a new startup screen: Create a 320x400 256 color bitmap (it is important to use the exact format or it will not be displayed) and save it as logo.sys in your root directory (usually c:). Same thing for log off and shutdown screens but named logow.sys and logos.sys saved in your win directory (usually c:\windows). The default startup logo is "inside" io.sys. So to revert to it, simply delete logo.sys from your root. To revert to the default shutdown logos, first rename the ones on your computer to logow.old and logos.old and create new ones, if you want to go back delete your creations and rename the previous ones. If you want to disable the startup screen: add the line logo=0 under [Options] in your msdos.sys. If you want to disable the shutdown screens, just make sure there is no file called logos.sys or logow.sys in your windows directory. ...........EOQ Julien..................... I don't udnerstand why the step of running setup was necessary, I was able to make a working virtual PC virtual hard drive that booted just fine using the exact same procedure only mapping networked drives instead of copying real drive letters. I presume it either made the partition the Active one or it did a /MBR to the hard drive. I forgot to add, here's a picture of what I'm trying to bring back, taken from said Virutal PC backup I made prior to obtaining the new drive http://www.flickr.com/photos/10736018@N05/3910124663/ Now when I boot up the actual computer, the Windows 98 screen lacks the words in the upper corners of the screen. No "Distributed by Dell" and no "Microsoft" That's so similar to Logo.sys that I think you will find one in VCM (a Dell version) that has been replaced with the original. Compaq seems to have done something more complex. While I'm at it, is it possible to modify the file after extracting it from the backup? Can I add "SE" to the Windows 98 and maybe put something to ID the computer as belinging to SlickRCBD? You may do whatever you wish to it with MSPaint-- but keep the size & color resolution precisely the same! -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup
SlickRCBD wrote:
On Sep 11, 4:59 pm, SlickRCBD wrote: As mentioned in the MPW98.disks.general, I just replaced the HD in my old 98 machine. However, in spite of formatting it with the /s swtich, XCOPYing everything, and doing sys D: for good measure, I couldn't get the comptuer to boot. Probably, one/both of the following was the missing requirement... 1. The partition to boot must be the Active partition. FDISK option 2 makes a partition the Active one. 2. There must be boot code in the MBR (Master Boot Record) of the HDD. FDISK /MBR puts it there, but there are cautions about that. Not having a CD for this OEM install, I went to c:\windows\options \cabs and ran setup.exe It acted like I used an answer file and ran MUCH faster than I expected. Once it was finished, it asked me for a product key. I had anticipated this and extracted it before this ever began. I entered it, and was taken to my desktop. I haven't hooked anything but the keyboard, moue, and monitor up nor have I screwed in the drives yet, but everything looks like it's running fine. That was smart enough to be sure of the product key. I guess it was quick because it was doing an over-install, but I don't really know. Mine, like yours, came pre-installed. If an over-install was done, then the Version Conflict Manager may have activated... http://support.microsoft.com/default...57&Product=w98 Description of the Version Conflict Manager Tool in Windows 98 ........Quote......................... 1. Click Start, point to Programs, point to Accessories, point to System Tools, and then click System Information. 2. On the Tools menu, click Version Conflict Manager. 3. Click the file that you want to restore, and then click Restore Selected Files. ........EOQ.............................. If the over-install replaced newer files with old ones, they will be shown & are recoverable through the VCM. Do you see Logo.sys mentioned in there? Is there a Logo.sys in your C:\folder? Logo.sys -- if present in C:\ -- is the startup screen. If not present in C:\, there is one embedded in IO.sys that is used-- normally. That's the normal situation. However, my Compaq puts up a different startup screen -- just a big, red COMPAQ -- & I have no Logo.sys file in C:\. And I doubt it altered the one embedded in IO.sys. Therefore, I believe there is a 3rd mechanism for it (which I haven't ever discovered). If you have no Logo.sys to restore from VCM & there is a Logo.sys in C:\; try renaming it to Logo.sy_. Reboot. It's possible the 3rd mechanism depends upon the file being missing. Here's something you should also see... http://support.microsoft.com/default...85&Product=w98 Files Not Backed Up Using the Version Conflict Manager Tool (184585) - When you use the Version Conflict Manager tool to restore the newer versions of files that were overwritten by Windows 98 Setup, the files are properly restored, but the original Windows 98 files may be lost. One thing I noticed is that it no longer says "Dell" on the bootup screen, but instead has a standard win98 bootup screen. Is there any way to bring that back by extracting a file from my old HD? It's a minor thing, but I thought it was nice to have the OEM one to remind me it's NOT a retail product key when somebody asks me if I have one. For that matter, what format is this custom boot screen and can I customize it myself? First priority is to get the old one that the computer came with back up, then worry about further customizations. I didn't expect this, but surprisingly I haven't ahd to revert to running setup the entire time I"ve owned this system. Here is something that sounds sensible from my Keepers posts. You can use MSPaint... ..........Quote Julien.................. "Julien" wrote in message news:ejglvg4pBHA.1532@tkmsftngp03... To generate a new startup screen: Create a 320x400 256 color bitmap (it is important to use the exact format or it will not be displayed) and save it as logo.sys in your root directory (usually c:). Same thing for log off and shutdown screens but named logow.sys and logos.sys saved in your win directory (usually c:\windows). The default startup logo is "inside" io.sys. So to revert to it, simply delete logo.sys from your root. To revert to the default shutdown logos, first rename the ones on your computer to logow.old and logos.old and create new ones, if you want to go back delete your creations and rename the previous ones. If you want to disable the startup screen: add the line logo=0 under [Options] in your msdos.sys. If you want to disable the shutdown screens, just make sure there is no file called logos.sys or logow.sys in your windows directory. ...........EOQ Julien..................... I don't udnerstand why the step of running setup was necessary, I was able to make a working virtual PC virtual hard drive that booted just fine using the exact same procedure only mapping networked drives instead of copying real drive letters. I presume it either made the partition the Active one or it did a /MBR to the hard drive. I forgot to add, here's a picture of what I'm trying to bring back, taken from said Virutal PC backup I made prior to obtaining the new drive http://www.flickr.com/photos/10736018@N05/3910124663/ Now when I boot up the actual computer, the Windows 98 screen lacks the words in the upper corners of the screen. No "Distributed by Dell" and no "Microsoft" That's so similar to Logo.sys that I think you will find one in VCM (a Dell version) that has been replaced with the original. Compaq seems to have done something more complex. While I'm at it, is it possible to modify the file after extracting it from the backup? Can I add "SE" to the Windows 98 and maybe put something to ID the computer as belinging to SlickRCBD? You may do whatever you wish to it with MSPaint-- but keep the size & color resolution precisely the same! -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:09:41 -0700 (PDT), SlickRCBD
put finger to keyboard and composed: On Sep 11, 4:59*pm, SlickRCBD wrote: As mentioned in the MPW98.disks.general, I just replaced the HD in my old 98 machine. However, in spite of formatting it with the /s swtich, XCOPYing everything, and doing sys D: for good measure, I couldn't get the comptuer to boot. Some (all?) Dell machines have a hidden partition, either in the user area on the HD, or in the HPA. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_Protected_Area I'm not exactly sure what is, or has, happened in your case, but you may like to read the following article. Understanding the Dell MediaDirect Partition: http://www.goodells.net/dellrestore/mediadirect.htm It explains why cloning will fail. You can unhide the HPA using utilities such as HDAT2 or MHDD: http://www.hdat2.com/ http://hddguru.com/content/en/software/2005.10.02-MHDD/ This FAQ has info on Dell's HPA: http://www.hdat2.com/hdat2_faq.html If the hidden partition is in the user accessible area, then a tool such as MBRtool may show it: http://www.diydatarecovery.nl/mbrtool.htm Use MBRtool to look at the partition table at the bottom of LBA-0. How many partitions do you see? MBRtool will also allow you to save track 0 to a file. Look at LBA-3. Dell sometimes uses this sector to access the HPA. Not having a CD for this OEM install, I went to c:\windows\options \cabs and ran setup.exe It acted like I used an answer file and ran MUCH faster than I expected. Once it was finished, it asked me for a product key. I had anticipated this and extracted it before this ever began. I entered it, and was taken to my desktop. I haven't hooked anything but the keyboard, moue, and monitor up nor have I screwed in the drives yet, but everything looks like it's running fine. One thing I noticed is that it no longer says "Dell" on the bootup screen, but instead has a standard win98 bootup screen. Is there any way to bring that back by extracting a file from my old HD? It's a minor thing, but I thought it was nice to have the OEM one to remind me it's NOT a retail product key when somebody asks me if I have one. For that matter, what format is this custom boot screen and can I customize it myself? First priority is to get the old one that the computer came with back up, then worry about further customizations. I didn't expect this, but surprisingly I haven't ahd to revert to running setup the entire time I"ve owned this system. I don't udnerstand why the step of running setup was necessary, I was able to make a working virtual PC virtual hard drive that booted just fine using the exact same procedure only mapping networked drives instead of copying real drive letters. I forgot to add, here's a picture of what I'm trying to bring back, taken from said Virutal PC backup I made prior to obtaining the new drive http://www.flickr.com/photos/10736018@N05/3910124663/ Now when I boot up the actual computer, the Windows 98 screen lacks the words in the upper corners of the screen. No "Distributed by Dell" and no "Microsoft" Look for files that are the same size as logos.sys and logow.sys, ie about 129,000 bytes. I notice that the first three bytes in these files are either BM6 or BM8 which suggests that they are BMP files. Go to Start - Find - Files/Folder and search for files Containing text BM6 or BM8. If you find a likely one, make a copy and rename it to logo.BMP and view it with Paintbrush or your preferred image viewer. While I'm at it, is it possible to modify the file after extracting it from the backup? Can I add "SE" to the Windows 98 and maybe put something to ID the computer as belinging to SlickRCBD? I've hacked explorer.exe so that my Start button says "Franc". - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. |
How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:09:41 -0700 (PDT), SlickRCBD
put finger to keyboard and composed: On Sep 11, 4:59*pm, SlickRCBD wrote: As mentioned in the MPW98.disks.general, I just replaced the HD in my old 98 machine. However, in spite of formatting it with the /s swtich, XCOPYing everything, and doing sys D: for good measure, I couldn't get the comptuer to boot. Some (all?) Dell machines have a hidden partition, either in the user area on the HD, or in the HPA. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_Protected_Area I'm not exactly sure what is, or has, happened in your case, but you may like to read the following article. Understanding the Dell MediaDirect Partition: http://www.goodells.net/dellrestore/mediadirect.htm It explains why cloning will fail. You can unhide the HPA using utilities such as HDAT2 or MHDD: http://www.hdat2.com/ http://hddguru.com/content/en/software/2005.10.02-MHDD/ This FAQ has info on Dell's HPA: http://www.hdat2.com/hdat2_faq.html If the hidden partition is in the user accessible area, then a tool such as MBRtool may show it: http://www.diydatarecovery.nl/mbrtool.htm Use MBRtool to look at the partition table at the bottom of LBA-0. How many partitions do you see? MBRtool will also allow you to save track 0 to a file. Look at LBA-3. Dell sometimes uses this sector to access the HPA. Not having a CD for this OEM install, I went to c:\windows\options \cabs and ran setup.exe It acted like I used an answer file and ran MUCH faster than I expected. Once it was finished, it asked me for a product key. I had anticipated this and extracted it before this ever began. I entered it, and was taken to my desktop. I haven't hooked anything but the keyboard, moue, and monitor up nor have I screwed in the drives yet, but everything looks like it's running fine. One thing I noticed is that it no longer says "Dell" on the bootup screen, but instead has a standard win98 bootup screen. Is there any way to bring that back by extracting a file from my old HD? It's a minor thing, but I thought it was nice to have the OEM one to remind me it's NOT a retail product key when somebody asks me if I have one. For that matter, what format is this custom boot screen and can I customize it myself? First priority is to get the old one that the computer came with back up, then worry about further customizations. I didn't expect this, but surprisingly I haven't ahd to revert to running setup the entire time I"ve owned this system. I don't udnerstand why the step of running setup was necessary, I was able to make a working virtual PC virtual hard drive that booted just fine using the exact same procedure only mapping networked drives instead of copying real drive letters. I forgot to add, here's a picture of what I'm trying to bring back, taken from said Virutal PC backup I made prior to obtaining the new drive http://www.flickr.com/photos/10736018@N05/3910124663/ Now when I boot up the actual computer, the Windows 98 screen lacks the words in the upper corners of the screen. No "Distributed by Dell" and no "Microsoft" Look for files that are the same size as logos.sys and logow.sys, ie about 129,000 bytes. I notice that the first three bytes in these files are either BM6 or BM8 which suggests that they are BMP files. Go to Start - Find - Files/Folder and search for files Containing text BM6 or BM8. If you find a likely one, make a copy and rename it to logo.BMP and view it with Paintbrush or your preferred image viewer. While I'm at it, is it possible to modify the file after extracting it from the backup? Can I add "SE" to the Windows 98 and maybe put something to ID the computer as belinging to SlickRCBD? I've hacked explorer.exe so that my Start button says "Franc". - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. |
How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:04:02 -0400, "PCR" put
finger to keyboard and composed: ... my Compaq puts up a different startup screen -- just a big, red COMPAQ -- & I have no Logo.sys file in C:\. And I doubt it altered the one embedded in IO.sys. Therefore, I believe there is a 3rd mechanism for it (which I haven't ever discovered). Look for a HPA or hidden partition. See my first post to this thread. Is it possible that the Compaq logo is patched into the BIOS? Modern motherboards (eg Asus, Gigabyte) are supplied with utilities that allow users to add their own logos and backgrounds to the BIOS. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. |
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